Is it possible that some in the U.S. believe things to be good ideas when they are actually horrible ideas?

Some people are saying that many have been brainwashed like some in Germany 1933-1945 when they thought Hitler was good, like some in China 2020 who think communism is good, and like some in Venezuela who think Socialism is good. They are saying the ideas some believe are a set up for accepting what these people in these countries accepted. Is it possible that some in the U.S. believe things to be good ideas when they are actually horrible ideas?

Some in these countries thought they were correct and they found out in bad ways. How are some in the U.S. any different? Can't they be tricked too?
 

Whateverman

Well-known member
If I find the videos, I can link them but it appears no one wants to look at videos.
That's just not true, john james.

No one wants posts that only contain a video, or a sentence of text followed by 15 minutes of some random person talking. We want to know what the video is supposed to show, or at least a location in the video where we can understand the point behind it being posted here.

In other words, if someone can't explain what the video contains in a meaningful way, it's a waste of time to watch. People like to waste other people's time here, and if there's ANY suspicion that a video posted here is meant to do that, few people are going to bother.
 

Temujin

Well-known member
Some people are saying that many have been brainwashed like some in Germany 1933-1945 when they thought Hitler was good, like some in China 2020 who think communism is good, and like some in Venezuela who think Socialism is good. They are saying the ideas some believe are a set up for accepting what these people in these countries accepted. Is it possible that some in the U.S. believe things to be good ideas when they are actually horrible ideas?

Some in these countries thought they were correct and they found out in bad ways. How are some in the U.S. any different? Can't they be tricked too?
You can see examples of people extolling horrible ideas on this very forum. Presumably they think that they are good ideas. The problem you have is that these people can quite legitimately point to those on the other side and claim that their ideas are the horrible ones.

Take abortion for example. Those who support abortion rights say that it is horrible to remove the rights snd control that a woman has over her own body, while those eh oppose them say that it is horrible to kill unborn babies. Who wins this argument is decided by public debate, eventually. Some issues are very emotive.

Who do you think has the right to decide which arguments are horrible and which are good?
 

Torin

Active member
Some people are saying that many have been brainwashed like some in Germany 1933-1945 when they thought Hitler was good, like some in China 2020 who think communism is good, and like some in Venezuela who think Socialism is good. They are saying the ideas some believe are a set up for accepting what these people in these countries accepted. Is it possible that some in the U.S. believe things to be good ideas when they are actually horrible ideas?

Some in these countries thought they were correct and they found out in bad ways. How are some in the U.S. any different? Can't they be tricked too?
Your examples of horrible ideas are:

1. "Hitler was good."
2. "Communism is good."
3. "Socialism is good."

Unfortunately, there are people in the United States right now who accept each of these horrible ideas: There are neo-Nazis who think Hitler was good, Communists who think Communism is good, and socialists who think socialism is good.

So, I'd say we have our answer.

Or was there something else you wanted to discuss or debate?
 
You can see examples of people extolling horrible ideas on this very forum. Presumably they think that they are good ideas. The problem you have is that these people can quite legitimately point to those on the other side and claim that their ideas are the horrible ones.

Take abortion for example. Those who support abortion rights say that it is horrible to remove the rights snd control that a woman has over her own body, while those eh oppose them say that it is horrible to kill unborn babies. Who wins this argument is decided by public debate, eventually. Some issues are very emotive.

Who do you think has the right to decide which arguments are horrible and which are good?
Natural law and the consequences of going against reality may be what decides. Some think they can avoid the consequences because of technological advances afford them the ability to appear to do so but there are consequences that happen anyway. Unfortunately some desires are so connected to what they think is a good idea, that may blind them to the consequences of going against reality and natural law. And they try to justify the consequences away.
So some horrible ideas can't past the consequences of reality and natural law if disconnected from false justification and desire. Actually they don't past even with false justification and desire but in the some people's minds they do.
 
Your examples of horrible ideas are:

1. "Hitler was good."
2. "Communism is good."
3. "Socialism is good."

Unfortunately, there are people in the United States right now who accept each of these horrible ideas: There are neo-Nazis who think Hitler was good, Communists who think Communism is good, and socialists who think socialism is good.

So, I'd say we have our answer.

Or was there something else you wanted to discuss or debate?
Some say the question is are the ideas that some currently have no matter what they are actually good ideas or ideas they think are good because they have been influenced by some to think they are, without even knowing they have been influenced to think so?
 
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