Is Jehovah His Name?

[imJRR]

TrevorL, with all due respect - Whether you are interested in what I have written or not, whether you acknowledge the irrefutable truth of it or not has no relevance for me. Fact is fact, and truth is truth regardless of whether it's acknowledged or agreed with or accepted or not. And as I said - What I wrote does have direct relevance and bearing to the false belief and teaching of the Watchtowerites. I have not engaged in a discussion of the Trinity here, and I do not believe a discussion of Oneness theology has any place on a JW board - That kind of thing should be taken elsewhere, IMO, and I believe the moderators would agree. What I have done is shown the irrefutable meaning of Jesus' response to Philip in John 14:9 - seeing Jesus = seeing God Himself. Since that has been done, please go ahead and continue with discussion of the word "Jehovah". But understand this: Anytime a poster here - JW or other - tries to foist the lie that Jesus Christ isn't God Revealed, God come in the flesh the Savior, I'm going to refute that. Thank you for the opportunity to clarify.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again imJRR,

Fact is fact, and truth is truth regardless of whether it's acknowledged or agreed with or accepted or not. And as I said - What I wrote does have direct relevance and bearing to the false belief and teaching of the Watchtowerites.

I appreciate your response and position. I have been disciplined before by at least one moderator in the previous version of CARM and my posts in the JW sub-forum were deleted. I am not allowed by at least one moderator to discuss the Trinity on the JW sub-forum. I am also in the position that I may be closer to the JW position on this issue as I believe that there is One God, Yahweh, the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Nevertheless I have many major differences with the JWs on even this subject. I have a thread "The Yahweh Name" on another sub-forum, and a proper understanding of the Bible revelation concerning God and Jesus will help to understand the passage that you have quoted and given an explanation.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[101G]

Greetings again imJRR and 101G,


As stated I am not interested in a full discussion of the Trinity or Oneness on this thread. One verse which Trinitarians and Oneness advocates cannot reconcile with their beliefs is Psalm 110:1 and its numerous NT quotations and expositions which clearly teach that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God, now seated at the right hand of God the Father, in God the Father's Throne Revelation 3:21. If or when either of you come up with a clear and reasonable explanation of this, then I will acknowledge your post. Until then I will leave this aspect of the thread, but reserve the right to discuss the JW use of the erroneous word "Jehovah", their continued insistence on using this error, and this has an impact on whether they are Spirit guided as they claim.

Kind regards
Trevor

one word, "ECHAD" maning God "diversified", or EQUALLY SHARED in Flesh. who is the ONE "Spirit" God, a single person. this ECHAD of God consist of the Ordinal First.... the LORD, all caps in Psalms 110:1, and the Ordinal Last ... the Lord only the cap "L" in Lord, in Psalms 110:1.

what is the difference in layman's terms..... the Lord is the LORD, "shared in flesh. same Person. lets prove it out.

in Psalms 110:1 the term Lord there is
H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.

notice definotion #2. "human or divine". Jesus is in NATURAL flesh here, now this, same chapter,

Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath."

the same "Lord" at his right in verse 1 is
H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113

bingo, see definition #2 the "PERSON", Yahweh God of Israel, yes, and did you notice the ROOT of this definition? it comes from H113, the same definition above for "Lord" in verse 1. THERE YOU HAVE IT THE SAME "ONE" PERSON who is LORD, all caps, is the same person "Lord" in verse 1.

and the difference is this, in verse 1, the Lord is in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state in NATURAL Flesh, per Phil 2:6 & 7. but in verse 5, in the resurrected and GLORIFIED body, with "ALL POWER". supportive scripture, John 17:5, and Matthew 28:18, respectively.

do you know what this means TrevorL? you jehovah is really Jesus the LORD, who is in flesh, the Lord.

and it is the Lord Jesus, God almighty who sits on the THRONE.

but reserve the right to discuss the JW use of the erroneous word "Jehovah", their continued insistence on using this error, and this has an impact on whether they are Spirit guided as they claim.

well this is where they, and many others ERROR AT.

so I will leave this discussion.

again, thankd for the topic.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again 101G,

do you know what this means TrevorL? you jehovah is really Jesus the LORD, who is in flesh, the Lord.

I agree with the Name Yahweh, but not Jehovah, and I understand that Yahweh is the Name of the One God, God the Father and that Jesus is a distinct being, the Son of God, now seated at the right hand of God, in God the Father's Throne.

I appreciate your response and attempted explanation of Psalm 110:1, but I do not accept that what you have stated is a correct understanding of this verse and the numerous quotations and expositions of this verse in the NT.

so I will leave this discussion.

Likewise. We have both stated our relative positions on this subject.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[imJRR]

Greetings again imJRR,

I appreciate your response and position. I have been disciplined before by at least one moderator in the previous version of CARM and my posts in the JW sub-forum were deleted. I am not allowed by at least one moderator to discuss the Trinity on the JW sub-forum. I am also in the position that I may be closer to the JW position on this issue as I believe that there is One God, Yahweh, the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Nevertheless I have many major differences with the JWs on even this subject. I have a thread "The Yahweh Name" on another sub-forum, and a proper understanding of the Bible revelation concerning God and Jesus will help to understand the passage that you have quoted and given an explanation.

Kind regards
Trevor

TrevorL, I have already given the proper and correct explanation and understanding and only possible meaning for what Jesus declared to Philip in John 14:9. You may disagree with that all you like, but as I previously said: Fact is fact, and truth is truth regardless of whether it's acknowledged or agreed with or accepted or not.

 

[Steven Avery]

I agree with the Name Yahweh, but not Jehovah,

"Yahweh" is a modern liberal unbelieving German error, from the 1800s.
It actually is Jupiter .. since Jupiter is yahweh-pater . (IOVE-pater).

It is unfortunate that modern Christians have been seduced into this abomination.

Ironically, even the JWs do not know the terrible element of yahweh.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings Seven Avery,

"Yahweh" is a modern liberal unbelieving German error, from the 1800s.

I am not proficient enough to agree or disagree of whether "Yahweh" is also an error. My impression is that scholars can have a fair idea of how YHWH would be pronounced and how it would be spelled if the appropriate vowels were written. The reason for my objection to Jehovah is that it is utilising the wrong vowels to the Name YHWH, as these vowels came from Adonai, and also in other occurrences in the MT, Elohim. Please refer to the introduction by Rotherham, or other similar expositions of how this error occurred. I suggest that the JW acceptance of "Jehovah", and their continued use and strong promulgation of this error, is one of many evidences that they are not Spirit-guided.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Steven Avery]

Please refer to the introduction by Rotherham, or other similar expositions of how this error occurred. I suggest that the JW acceptance of "Jehovah", and their continued use and strong promulgation of this error, is one of many evidences that they are not Spirit-guided. Kind regards Trevor

Hi Trevori,

And I used to hang out with the Sacred Namers, so I became very familiar with the Rotherdam attempt to justify Yahweh. Later, I studied more excellently.

You have boxed yourself in a corner by making the name of Jehovah a key part of the opposition to the Jehovah Witnesses. In fact, it is more like .. a stopped clock is right twice a day. The JWs make a horrendous blunder trying to put Jehovah into the New Testament, but Jehovah itself has long been the name used by the Christian Hebraists and those with the Reformation Bible.

Today we know just how bad is "Yahweh".

Steven Avery
Dutchess County, NY USA

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings Seven Avery,

And I used to hang out with the Sacred Namers, so I became very familiar with the Rotherdam attempt to justify Yahweh. Later, I studied more excellently.

I am not associated with the Sacred Namers. I have considered mainly the meaning of the YHWH name in its context in Exodus 3:14 and also its meaning as it is developed throughout the Bible. I have a thread on "The Yahweh Name" but it does not deal with the spelling or pronunciation. I do not think that a person is holy or greatly benefited by having the correct spelling or pronunciation, but I consider that this subject is one of many Bible topics that help the individual in understanding the revelation of God about Himself. Once understood teaching such as Trinitarianism, Oneness and the JW Jesus as Michael the Angel is dispelled and shown to be hollow. As far as general scholarship, I am more interested in the meaning of the Name, and in my thread I advocate the meaning as "I wilbe" as rendered by Tyndale, "I will be" as mentioned in the RV and RSV margins and by many modern scholars.

You have boxed yourself in a corner by making the name of Jehovah a key part of the opposition to the Jehovah Witnesses.

Not at all, I disagree with the JWs on many topics. Most probably the JWs are content as your "Christian Hebraists and those with the Reformation Bible". But the JWs make a lot of claims concerning their almost "unique" insistence and use of "Jehovah". On other subjects for starters please refer to my thread on the JW sub-forum "The JW Book: What can the Bible teach us?". I am also quite willing to discuss other aspects of their teaching that I disagree with. One most unusual teaching or practice is that most JWs do not partake of the memorial bread and wine, witnessing to the fact that they are not in true fellowship with Jesus. The JWs only partly celebrate this once a year, but I believe that this memorial should be practiced each week by those that have believed the Gospel of the Kingdom and Name and have been baptised in identification with the death and resurrection of Jesus and the salvation that is thus available through forgiveness of sins.

Jehovah itself has long been the name used by the Christian Hebraists and those with the Reformation Bible.

I am not swayed by this claim, as "Jehovah" and its derivation from the vowel points of adonai can be traced, and is therefore an error. We have many traditions that obscure the truth. But again I am not really interested in the exact spelling or pronunciation of YHWH.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[nomrom]

Ancient Jews had a superstitious dread of pronouncing the name YHWH. They feared any pronunciation of YHWH was a violation of the third commandment, so they substituted Adonai in its place. Over time the pronunciation was lost, and since the pronunciation was lost and Hebrew is written without vowels, the vowels were lost also.

Over time it was copied with Adonai wrote above YHWH, and as Kyrios in the Septuagint. Masoretes = [6-11 century scribes and scholars living in Jerusalem and Tiberius] attempted to fix divisions of Jewish Bibles for the worldwide Jewish community. They combined the vowels of Adonai [ADONIA] with YHWH to produce Yahowah. During the Reformation, when the church was headquartered in Germany Yahowah was Germanized to Jahovah = Jehovah by substituting the J for Y and V for W. Other names such as Yosef to Joseph, Yud to Jude, Yob to Job were also Germanized. Jehovah is not found in the Septuagint, Samaritan Pentateuch, Apocrypha, or early manuscripts of the New Testament.

It is one thing to say that we suspect, we assume, we conclude, that Jehovah is the name of God. It is another to claim without a doubt that Jehovah is the name of God. Also if Jehovah is truly and definitely the name of God where and when did the WTS discover the vowels?

A Jehovah Witness pastor once told me “One of the most egregious acts carried out by Christendom has been the suppression of God’s personal name” I told him before I address his statement, let me first say “It is far more important to know God through faith in Jesus Christ, than it is to know the correct pronunciation of His name in Hebrew.”

Jehovah’s Witnesses often argue God’s true name is “Jehovah”. But if this is true, why doesn’t the word, “Jehovah” appear in the New Testament? The New World Translation inserts the word “Jehovah” into the New Testament even though NO original Greek manuscript contains the word. Why should we trust this insertion and isn’t this an example of a religious effort to tamper with the text?

In the Hebrew Scriptures, the name of God is recorded as YHWH. So, where did the name “Jehovah” come from? Ancient Hebrew did not use vowels in its written form. The vowels were pronounced in spoken Hebrew but were not recorded in written Hebrew. The appropriate vowel sounds of words were passed down orally. As a result, when ancient Hebrew is studied, scholars and linguists often do not know with absolute confidence how certain Hebrew words were pronounced.

This particularly becomes an issue when studying the Hebrew name of God, written in the Hebrew Scriptures as YHWH, also known as the tetragrammaton. Despite much study and debate, it is still not universally agreed upon how the Hebrew name for God YHWH was pronounced. Some prefer “Yahweh” (YAH-way); others prefer “Yehowah” or “Yahuweh”; still others argue for “Jehovah.”

As you can see, virtually everything is up for debate. Should YHWH be pronounced with three syllables or two? Should the vowels be borrowed from Elohim or Adonai? Should the W be pronounced with more of a W sound or more of a V sound? It is not the purpose of this article to settle the debate. Rather, it is the purpose of this article to discuss the use of “Jehovah.”

The vast majority of Jewish and Christian biblical scholars and linguists do not believe “Jehovah” to be the proper pronunciation of YHWH. There was no true J sound in ancient Hebrew. Even the Hebrew letter vav, which is transliterated as the W in YHWH is said to have originally had a pronunciation closer to W than the V of Jehovah. Jehovah is essentially a Germanic pronunciation of the Latinized transliteration of the Hebrew YHWH. It is the letters of the tetragrammaton, Latinized into JHVH, with vowels inserted. “Yahweh” or “Yehowah” is far more likely to be the correct pronunciation.

The form Jehovah, though, is very commonly used. It is used in the King James Version of the Bible (Genesis 22:14; Exodus 6:3; 17:15; Judges 6:24; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4). It is also used, and strenuously promoted by, your church organization. The Jehovah’s Witnesses emphasize the use of Jehovah to the extent that any other name or title for God is viewed as borderline idolatry or outright heresy.

With all of that said, it is not crucial to the Christian faith for the proper pronunciation of YHWH to be known. Both the Old and New Testaments, inspired by God, use generic terms for “God” and “Lord,” including El, Elohim, and Adonai (Hebrew); and Theos and Kurios (Greek). If the authors of Scripture, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, were allowed to use these terms, it is not wrong for us to refer to Him as “God” or “Lord,” either.

 

[Steven Avery]

This thread is deleted for rule 24 violation.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings Steven Avery,

Historically, this has been the simplest proof that the three-syllable Jehovah is correct. The contras have never come up with a counter-explanation that makes sense.

How do you account for the two different versions of YHWH, Strong's H3068, H3069, with the vowel points of Adonai and Elohim? Only one of these has been used to suggest Jehovah.

Christians who are stuck with "Yahweh" (Jupiter) for the tetragram are in a quicksand position.

I am not stuck with "Yahweh" as I do not know the correct spelling or pronunciation. What I see the need is to recognise how the erroneous "Jehovah" was composed. What is important also is to understand the meaning of the YHWH Name as it is revealed, and I have added a thread on this subject on another sub-forum.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Steven Avery]

Greetings Steven Avery,
How do you account for the two different versions of YHWH, Strong's H3068, H3069, with the vowel points of Adonai and Elohim? Only one of these has been used to suggest Jehovah.

Hi Trevori,

It is actually irrelevant to what extent the main group of three vowels do or do not represent Adonai.
It is a fascinating discussion, but in the big picture, minor.
e.g. Remember, the cholam is usually not there.

The theophoric names confirm the proof of Jehovah.
Along with additional evidences.

Steven

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Steven Avery,

It is actually irrelevant to what extent the main group of three vowels do or do not represent Adonai.

The vowel points were only added so that the Hebrew reader would say Adonai or Elohim instead of YHWH. You have not answered or properly considered the two forms of YHWH, H3068 and H3069 as these show that the vowel points of both Adonai and Elohim were added in the appropriate places for this purpose, and not to render YHWH as Jehovah, and this dismisses Jehovah as the correct rendition.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Steven Avery,

the vowels often were meant to represent Adonai

I disagree. The Hebrew reader would see the Memorial Name YHWH, but with the vowel points of either Adonai or Elohim added. This was a prompt for them to not state the YHWH Name, but to say Adonai or Elohim.

The following is from my Enhanced Strong's:
3068 יהוה, יְהוִה [Yâhovah /yeh·ho·vaw/] n pr dei. From 1961; TWOT 484a; GK 3378; 6519 occurrences; AV translates as “LORD” 6510 times, “GOD” four times, “JEHOVAH” four times, and “variant” once. 1 the proper name of the one true God. 1A unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136. Additional Information: Jehovah = “the existing One”.

3069 יהוה, יְהוִה [Yâhovih /yeh·ho·vee/] n pr dei. A variation of 3068 [used after 136, and pronounced by Jews as 430, in order to prevent the repetition of the same sound, since they elsewhere pronounce 3068 as 136]; GK 3378; 305 occurrences; AV translates as “GOD” 304 times, and “LORD” once. 1 Jehovah—used primarily in the combination ‘Lord Jehovah’. 1A equal to 03068 but pointed with the vowels of 0430.

The KJV translators followed this convention on most occasions, and the following shows where they have translated YHWH as LORD, and the other less common occurrence where they have translated YHWH as GOD:
Isaiah 50:10–11 (KJV): 10 Who is among you that feareth the LORD (H3068), that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the LORD (H3068), and stay upon his God. 11 Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

Isaiah 50:4–9 (KJV): 4 The Lord GOD (H3069) hath given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as the learned. 5 The Lord GOD (H3069) hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. 6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. 7 For the Lord GOD (H3069) will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed. 8 He is near that justifieth me; who will contend with me? let us stand together: who is mine adversary? let him come near to me. 9 Behold, the Lord GOD (H3069) will help me; who is he that shall condemn me? lo, they all shall wax old as a garment; the moth shall eat them up.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings 101G,

There is no Name of God, that is either Jehovah, or AKA Yahweh.

Exodus 3:13-16 (KJV): 13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM (or, I will be what I will be): and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM (I will be) hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD (YHWH=He who will be) God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorL]

I was interested in reading the extensive article “Jehovah” pages 882-895 in the JW Book Aid to Bible Understanding. The following are a few excerpts that I found to be relevant to the subject of this thread and relevant to some of the things that have been discussed.

Page 882: “Jehovah” is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, but “Yahweh” is preferred by most scholars.

Page 884: The time did come, however, when in reading the Hebrew Scriptures in the original language, the Jewish reader substituted either ‘Adho-nay’ (Lord) or ‘Elo-him’ (God) rather than pronounce the divine name represented by the Tetragrammaton. This is seen from the fact that when vowel pointing came into use in the second half of the first millennium C.E. the Jewish copyists inserted the vowel points for either ‘Adho-nay’ or ‘Elo-him’ into the Tetragrammaton, evidently to warn the reader to say those words in place of pronouncing the divine name.

Pages 884-885: The pronunciations “Jehovah” and “Yahweh”: By combining the vowel signs of ‘Adho-nay’ and ‘Elo-him’ with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations ‘Yeho-wah’ and ‘Yeho-wih’ were formed. The first of these provided the basis for the Latinised form “Jehova(h)”. The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugco Fidei of the year 1270. Hebrew scholars generally favour “Yahweh” as the most likely pronunciation.

Page 888: Moses raised the question: “Suppose I am now come to the sons of Israel and I do say to them, ‘The God of your forefathers has sent me to you,’ and they do say to me ‘What is his name?’ What shall I say to them?” … Moses’ question was a meaningful one. God’s reply in Hebrew was “’Eh-yeh’ asher eh-yeh’.” While some translations render this as “I AM THAT I AM,” the Hebrew verb (ha-yah’) from which the word ‘eh-yeh’ is drawn does not mean simply to exist. Rather, it means to come into existence, to happen, occur, become, take on (an attribute), enter upon (a state), or constitute. Thus, the footnote of the Revised Standard Version gives as one reading “I Will Be What I Will Be”.

I do not endorse all that is stated in this JW article, but I consider that the above is correct.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[101G]

Greetings 101G,

Exodus 3:13-16 (KJV): 13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM (or, I will be what I will be): and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM (I will be) hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD (YHWH=He who will be) God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Kind regards
Trevor

thanks, but there is a problem, listen, Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
God clearly said, that "Abraham" did not know him by the Name Jehovah ... correct. but listen, Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."
well now, either God lied, (god forbid), or the translator made a Bo Bo. and they did, the place that name there which was not God's Holy Name, as I daid before "Jehovah is a man made name ... given to God. now TrevorL did God LIE when he said "Abraham" didn't know him by Jehovah?, well.

see how easy it is to catch and expose false statements and lies, by men.

PICJAG, 101G

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again 101G,

thanks, but there is a problem, listen, Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
God clearly said, that "Abraham" did not know him by the Name Jehovah ... correct. but listen, Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."
well now, either God lied, (god forbid), or the translator made a Bo Bo. and they did, the place that name there which was not God's Holy Name, as I daid before "Jehovah is a man made name ... given to God. now TrevorL did God LIE when he said "Abraham" didn't know him by Jehovah?, well.
see how easy it is to catch and expose false statements and lies, by men.

Firstly, I reject the rendition "Jehovah" as this is an error as per my latest post, even quoting a JW article. I accept "Yahweh" as a closer rendition of the original. Secondly in posts #4,6,8,19 you seem to deny that the Name of the One God is YHWH, claiming the Name of God is Jesus or Yeshua, which to me is the most shallow reasoning I have ever encountered, and as such you deny the clear teaching of the Scripture.

As far as Exodus 6:3, this does present a problem. My present explanation of this is that the Name YHWH was known to Abraham, but what was not fully revealed to him was what it fully represented as revealed to Moses in the association of the Name YHWH with the deliverance of Israel out of Egypt. He knew the Name by title, but did not know the Name by experience. He knew the title El Shaddai, representing that the Most High was powerful in protecting him and punishing the ungodly. I have heard another explanation by my youth leader many years ago, but I will not repeat it as I prefer the above. I cannot accept your line on this problem as it seems to deny the inspiration of the Scriptures and the detail of Genesis 22, hoping that in the confusion that you can make your erroneous claim about Yeshua.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[101G]

Firstly, I reject the rendition "Jehovah" as this is an error as per my latest post, even quoting a JW article. I accept "Yahweh" as a closer rendition of the original.

First thanks for the reply, second, Yahweh is just as false as Jehovah, they Added vowels to the VERB, YHWH. and "JEHOVAH" was formed by merging the three vowels (e, o, and a) into the Romanized (Latinized) four letter version JHVH to get, JeHoVaH. and the word "YAHWEH" was formed by merging the vowels (a, and e), into the four letter version to get, YaHWeH. so we have the English man made, and the Hebrew man made form of God's supposed unpronounced name. the mistake, they, (the translator), added vowels to the four letter consonant, to make up a name to pronounce. and when you add to the WORD of GOD you put the spiritual noose around your neck.

so I believe in none of those false name.

God Clearly told us his name, Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

for me the case is Closed, on the name of God,

but thanks for the reply.

PICJAG, 101G.