johnny guitar
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God IS The Holy Spirit and Matthew 1:23 says Jesus Christ IS God.
Is Jesus God? Understanding the "Trinity"
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Emmanuel, God with us, means "The Father is with us in the person of Jesus Christ."
johnny guitar
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NO such meaning. Jesus Christ HIMSELF is God with us.
NO reference to or mention of The Father in this passage.
Sheer fiction.
As the Father is true God, by Jesus Christ's own testimony, so "God with us" in the person of Jesus Christ means exactly what I said.
Biblican
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Matthew 12:3 - God was in Christ and that is how the Father is within us.
John 1:1 - The Word was with God which is the begotten soul of Jesus that is distinct from the Father, and is God the Father because God has unified Himself with the Son by His Holy Spirit making them one, and the Father is in the Son.
Acts 5:3-4 - The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit so you can't lie to the Holy Spirit without lying to God the Father. The verses are consistent with what I showed you.
johnny guitar
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Matthew 1:23 means Jesus Christ is God with us.
No-one who denigrates the Father is a true Christian, however much you idolize Christ.
johnny guitar
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Since Jesus Christ is God WITH US it is IMPOSSIBLE to "idolize" Him.
He who does NOT honor the Son, JUST as they honor The Father, does NOT honor either.
By idolization, I mean those who honor him with their lips, but where their hearts are far from him.
How can you honor the Father if you deny him supremacy over Christ?
johnny guitar
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So the Father is not the true Father of Christ the Son of God? Enough said.
johnny guitar
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True Father of The Son of God.
So????????????
So your take (i.e. the Father doesn't have supremacy of Christ the Son of God) is BS.
Biblican
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The Son of God and the Man are one and the same. However, God is the head of Christ, because Jesus' soul is begotten from the Father. Because Jesus' Spirit is the divine and uncreated Spirit of the Father they are equal. But at the same time, Jesus' begotten soul still remains subordinate. The apostle Paul makes it clear in His recognition of the Holy Spirit, Jesus and the Father that the Father is above all.
johnny guitar
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He has supremacy over Christ The MAN.
johnny guitar
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ONE and The SAME Person who is God AND Man, i.e. The God-Man.
The Spirit of Jesus, The Spirit of The Father, The Spirit of Christ, The Spirit of God, The Spirit of The Lord ALL refer to The ONE Holy Spirit who is God. I have NO idea what you mean by Jesus' begotten soul
Biblican
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If I said only begotten person would that make sense to you? The soul is the person of anyone. We save souls because that is the part of the human that survives the death of the body. The soul is who we are. The scriptures show that both Jesus and the Father have souls, or beings/persons. They are two distinct persons/souls. The scriptures also make the distinction between the soul and the spirit. The spirit is a different element than the soul. The writer of Hebrews shows us in 4:12, that soul and spirit are distinct and are likened to bone and marrow. They are two different elements that are one. So it is with the Father and Son. They are two distinct persons/souls. They are unified by the one Spirit that is God the Father which is the Holy Spirit. God is one Spirit and He has a person/soul. Like bone and marrow, the souls are a different element from the spirit but are one. Jesus' person/soul was begotten from the Father and unified with the Father's person through the Holy Spirit. We see that unification taking place in Isaiah 42:1. Because the persons of the Father and Son are unified by one Spirit, when the Holy Spirit comes into us, so does the persons of Jesus and the Father. See John 14, verses17,18 and 23.
OldShepherd
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Matthew 7:1
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Romans 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
John 5:23
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."
Trinitarians acknowledge no real human person in Christ.
Why would he have supemacy over a man who is himself God?