Is Jesus God? Understanding the "Trinity"

Biblican

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cjab said:
Obviously emptying included the forfeiting of glory, but emptying included equality with God also, which meant a substantial kenosis, in contradistinction to what the Trinitarians here maintain.
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Well, I think because His Spirit is always God's Spirit He really wasn't emptied of His equality there as they are the same Spirit. I just wrote a piece about Jesus praying to the Father to have the same glory that He had with Him in heaven. He prayed this before His crucifixion. The glory of the Father is His selfless love. Jesus was asking for that because He was going to be facing the trail of His life and as a man He needed more of that love, that glory to get Him through..
 
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OldShepherd said:
Ah yes, the ubiquitous, anonymous "Trinitarians." Have you ever heard the expression "fully God and fully man?"
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As a man Jesus is constructed as three, body, soul and spirit. His soul unified with His body makes Him fully human. His Spirit, which is God's Spirit, (Romans 8:9) unified with His soul makes Him fully God. It's not a philosophical conclusion, it is a "spiritually scientific" conclusion based on the knowledge of how humans are constructed in relation to the soul and spirit.
 
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Biblican said:
As a man Jesus is constructed as three, body, soul and spirit. His soul unified with His body makes Him fully human. His Spirit, which is God's Spirit, (Romans 8:9) unified with His soul makes Him fully God. It's not a philosophical conclusion, it is a "spiritually scientific" conclusion based on the knowledge of how humans are constructed in relation to the soul and spirit.
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Spiritually scientific????Sounds like new age jargon.
 
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Biblican said:
We have to keep it simple and at the same time we have to be able to support what we teach from the scriptures.
I gave you the scriptures. Go back and re-read my posts.
God is Spirit, one Spirit. Jesus also said that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. Matthew 10:20, Therefore, because the Father is one Spirit the Holy Spirit has to be His Spirit. Whenever we have more than one spirit in association with God we have more than one God then we are polytheists. The Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father's person/soul, unified like bone and marrow, two distinct elements that are completely one.
These are the scriptures again that shows that God says Himself that He has a soul/person - Isaiah 42:1, Jeremiah 6:8,32:41, Leviticus 26:11. Please read them. The scriptures are only "incomprehensible mysticism" to people who can't understand them. God says specifically in these scriptures that He has a soul, if you deny that you are saying that God is lying.
Anyone who is begotten has to have a beginning at some point. To be eternally begotten is an oxymoron.
"All Three persons in the Trinity dwell in all believers." That is correct, for the most part. All three dwell in the believer. You said God is a person. The person of anyone is the soul. I thought you didn't believe that.
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God does NOT have a soul as men do. When He says my soul, He is simply saying I.
The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of The Father AND The Son, but is distinct from them and a distinct Person HIMSELF.
 
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johnny guitar said:
God does NOT have a soul as men do. When He says my soul, He is simply saying I.
The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of The Father AND The Son, but is distinct from them and a distinct Person HIMSE
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If God has a person He has a soul because that is what the soul is.
The Holy Spirit is rendered in the neuter in the Greek. Make sure you can back up your theology with scripture.
 
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johnny guitar

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Biblican said:
If God has a person He has a soul because that is what the soul is.
The Holy Spirit is rendered in the neuter in the Greek. Make sure you can back up your theology with scripture.
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God neither has a soul nor a Person.
The Holy Spirit is a Person as the Bible reveals.
He is The Comforter.
 
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johnny guitar said:
God neither has a soul nor a Person.
The Holy Spirit is a Person as the Bible reveals.
He is The Comforter.
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God says He has a person. Argue with Him. The Holy Sprit is rendered in the neuter in the Greek. Hey, you don't have to rely on the scriptures if you don't want to, form your own cult, that's how they start.
 
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johnny guitar

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Biblican said:
God says He has a person. Argue with Him. The Holy Sprit is rendered in the neuter in the Greek. Hey, you don't have to rely on the scriptures if you don't want to, form your own cult, that's how they start.
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Post the scripture wherein God says He "has" A Person.
 
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johnny guitar said:
But denial of The Trinity is NOT one of those principles.
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I am not denying the Trinity, I am teaching it as the scriptures teach it in hopes that maybe we can overcome other people's opinions of Christians that they worship three gods. The definitions people use to describe the Three of scripture should not be a barrier in reaching others for Jesus.
 
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johnny guitar said:
God said "MY soul, which means I.
NO reference to God possessing a Person in this passage.
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Johnny, the soul is the person, it means the same thing. It's who we are, our beings. If God is a person then that means He has a soul, the soul is the person of anyone. I am going to bed. Have a nice evening.
 
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Biblican said:
Johnny, the soul is the person, it means the same thing. It's who we are, our beings. If God is a person then that means He has a soul, the soul is the person of anyone. I am going to bed. Have a nice evening.
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For men BOTH body and soul are the Person, but God is A Spirit and A Spirit does NOT have a soul as men do.
 
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johnny guitar said:
God does NOT have a soul as men do. When He says my soul, He is simply saying I.
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Exactly “He is simply saying I” proves he is person. But I get it, singular personal pronouns don’t mean what they mean because trinitarians must impose their false view into scriptures.
johnny guitar said:
The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of The Father AND The Son, but is distinct from them and a distinct Person HIMSELF.
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So the Father and the son have a spirit but the Holy Spirit doesn’t have a spirit?
 
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johnny guitar said:
For men BOTH body and soul are the Person, but God is A Spirit and A Spirit does NOT have a soul as men do.
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In men the soul is not the body they are two completely different elements. When the body dies, the soul remains either to ascend to God or remain depending on if they have received Jesus. The scripturas show very clearly that God is a Spirit and that He has a person/soul that directs the operations of His Spirit which is clearly seen in Psalm 104:30. "You (the person, the "I," the mind) send forth Your Spirit, they are created." The person/soul wills the Spirit responds.
 
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Biblican said:
In men the soul is not the body they are two completely different elements. When the body dies, the soul remains either to ascend to God or remain depending on if they have received Jesus. The scripturas show very clearly that God is a Spirit and that He has a person/soul that directs the operations of His Spirit which is clearly seen in Psalm 104:30. "You (the person, the "I," the mind) send forth Your Spirit, they are created." The person/soul wills the Spirit responds.
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Yes, God sends forth His Spirit.
And???
 
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