Is Jesus God? Understanding the "Trinity"

Biblican

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If Jesus doesn’t have a human spirit like us then he was not a true human person like us
Yes He was. His soul was begotten like ours and His body was human. As a man He functioned as a man subject to the pulls of the flesh. He received the Holy Spirit at His baptism as a man and functioned as a Spirit-filled man. His life source/spirit is the Holy Spirit and that did not interfere in HIs function as a man like us, but it is essential in imparting the Holy Sprit to us. I suggest you read my thread, it explains it all there.
 

johnny guitar

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Yes He was. His soul was begotten like ours and His body was human. As a man He functioned as a man subject to the pulls of the flesh. He received the Holy Spirit at His baptism as a man and functioned as a Spirit-filled man. His life source/spirit is the Holy Spirit and that did not interfere in HIs function as a man like us, but it is essential in imparting the Holy Sprit to us. I suggest you read my thread, it explains it all there.
Souls are NOT begotten; Persons are.
 

JNelson

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Yes He was. His soul was begotten like ours and His body was human. As a man He functioned as a man subject to the pulls of the flesh. He received the Holy Spirit at His baptism as a man
Did he not have a spirit prior to his baptism?
 

johnny guitar

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As per Psalm 2:7 he is distinct from Yahweh since “Father” doesn’t appear anywhere there only Yahweh and his son.

A phrase invented by heretics as it’s never found in scriptures. God the Father we do see plenty though.
IOW Yahweh The Father is distinct from Yahweh The Son.
 

Biblican

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Did he not have a spirit prior to his baptism?
Yes, His Spirit that gave Him life as a man is God's Holy Spirit. He received the outpouring of Holy Spirit as a man would at His baptism. He was the first man to receive the out pouring, and He operated in the Spirit just as we do now. The Holy Spirit is omnipresent and can be in more than one place at a time, as Jesus life source and also the the Holy Spirit that the Father operated through in His Son. John the Baptist recognized Jesus' divinity and knew He did not need to be baptized, but Jesus had to identify with man and that is why He received the Holy Spirit at His baptism.
 

JNelson

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Souls are persons. The word means the same thing.
Then you agree God is one soul since he has a singular soul like we see in Jer. 5:9 “Shall I not visit for these things? saith Yahweh; and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
 

JNelson

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And Jesus is "God" through His union with Yahweh. See Isaiah 42:1.
Yahweh is Yahweh with needing to be united to anyone or anything. You’re making a case for Jesus as a god but not Yahweh. And Isaiah 42:1 clearly states Jesus is the servant OF Yahweh not Yahweh himself.
 

Biblican

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Then you agree God is one soul since he has a singular soul like we see in Jer. 5:9 “Shall I not visit for these things? saith Yahweh; and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
Yes, absolutely. See also Isaiah 42:1, Jere. 6:8,32:41,Leviticus 26:11,Psalm 11:5.
 

Biblican

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Then he wasn’t truly human like us

So he was baptized with his own spirit he already had?
Jesus' begotten soul unified with His body makes Him fully human. His Holy Spirit unified with His soul makes Him fully God.
The Holy Spirit in Jesus was functioning in two ways, as His life source - "As the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life in Himself" John 5:26, ( to have life in oneself is a quality only God can have and which gave Jesus the ability to rise from the dead); and as the Holy Spirit that a man would receive so Jesus could function as the first spirit-filled man.
It's important to understand that the Three are all abut salvation. The life in the blood of Jesus, which is the Holy Spirit of eternal life is released to the believer through Jesus. That is why He breathed the Holy Spirit into His disciples after His resurrection.
 
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