Is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus?

[Truther]

Or, you could just read what I said as opposed to accusing me of deleting things. It's surprising how irrational this response is.



Again, Revelation 13:8 doesn't teach that. I'm not rejecting your interpretation for a theological reason. I'm rejecting it for grammatical reasons, aka your are simply misreading the English of the KJV. Try interacting with the grammar next time.

God Bless

You are the one misreading the KJV. You swap key parts of Rev 13:8 to draw conclusions more agreeable, like this....

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Into this...

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life SWAP from the foundation of the world....of the lamb slain.

Yep, you do exactly that.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

Or, you could just read what I said as opposed to accusing me of deleting things. It's surprising how irrational this response is.

Again, Revelation 13:8 doesn't teach that. I'm not rejecting your interpretation for a theological reason. I'm rejecting it for grammatical reasons, aka your are simply misreading the English of the KJV. Try interacting with the grammar next time.

You are the one misreading the KJV. You swap key parts of Rev 13:8 to draw conclusions more agreeable, like this....
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Into this...
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life SWAP from the foundation of the world....of the lamb slain.
Yep, you do exactly that.

And why would you think I'm misreading the KJV? I didn't swap anything. Maybe, you should stop pretending I'm swapping things when I'm not.

Again, Revelation 13:8 doesn't teach that. I'm not rejecting your interpretation for a theological reason. I'm rejecting it for grammatical reasons, aka your are simply misreading the English of the KJV. Try interacting with the grammar next time.
God Bless

 

[Truther]

And why would you think I'm misreading the KJV? I didn't swap anything. Maybe, you should stop pretending I'm swapping things when I'm not.

Again, Revelation 13:8 doesn't teach that. I'm not rejecting your interpretation for a theological reason. I'm rejecting it for grammatical reasons, aka your are simply misreading the English of the KJV. Try interacting with the grammar next time.
God Bless

What does this say?...

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Tell the truth and shame the devil.

 

[Andreas]

What does this say?...

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Tell the truth and shame the devil.

Just a reminder that no one can become God. It is biblically and logically impossible.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

And why would you think I'm misreading the KJV? I didn't swap anything. Maybe, you should stop pretending I'm swapping things when I'm not.
Again, Revelation 13:8 doesn't teach that. I'm not rejecting your interpretation for a theological reason. I'm rejecting it for grammatical reasons, aka your are simply misreading the English of the KJV. Try interacting with the grammar next time.

What does this say?...
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Tell the truth and shame the devil.

If all you can do is cut and paste the verse from an online bible, how can you hope to understand what it says? I'm asking you way you read it that way, and you respond by repeating the verse. Could one be more close-minded and ignorant than that?

God Bless

 

[Truther]

Just a reminder that no one can become God. It is biblically and logically impossible.

What if the man is made God after his God resurrects him from the dead, makes him an omnipresent quickening spirit, then enters inside of him, bodily?
Made God by default because every bit of his God is encapsulated in his body?

Or, do you only think a particular portion of God is inside Christ(bodily)?

 

[Truther]

If all you can do is cut and paste the verse from an online bible, how can you hope to understand what it says? I'm asking you way you read it that way, and you respond by repeating the verse. Could one be more close-minded and ignorant than that?

God Bless

I think you saw what I saw at first glance in the verse, correct?...

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

If all you can do is cut and paste the verse from an online bible, how can you hope to understand what it says? I'm asking you way you read it that way, and you respond by repeating the verse. Could one be more close-minded and ignorant than that?

I think you saw what I saw at first glance in the verse, correct?...
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

If all you can do is cut and paste the verse from an online bible, how can you hope to understand what it says? I'm asking you way you read it that way, and you respond by repeating the verse. Could one be more close-minded and ignorant than that?

God Bless

 

[Truther]

If all you can do is cut and paste the verse from an online bible, how can you hope to understand what it says? I'm asking you way you read it that way, and you respond by repeating the verse. Could one be more close-minded and ignorant than that?

God Bless

I'm posting the part we are discussing...

...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

What's wrong with this in your understanding?

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

If all you can do is cut and paste the verse from an online bible, how can you hope to understand what it says? I'm asking you way you read it that way, and you respond by repeating the verse. Could one be more close-minded and ignorant than that?

I'm posting the part we are discussing...

...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

What's wrong with this in your understanding?

Quoting only part of a sentence is inherently twisting the text. If all you can do is cut and paste a verse, or part of a verse, from an online bible, how can you hope to understand what it says? I'm asking you why you read it that way, and you respond by repeating the verse. Could one be more close-minded and ignorant than that?

God Bless

 

[Truther]

Quoting only part of a sentence is inherently twisting the text. If all you can do is cut and paste a verse, or part of a verse, from an online bible, how can you hope to understand what it says? I'm asking you why you read it that way, and you respond by repeating the verse. Could one be more close-minded and ignorant than that?

God Bless

I read it that way because I read it without presupposition.

Try it sometime.

Happy Easter. Jesus is the firstborn from the dead, even raised by God before the dead man was raised when the bones of the OT prophet touched him.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

Quoting only part of a sentence is inherently twisting the text. If all you can do is cut and paste a verse, or part of a verse, from an online bible, how can you hope to understand what it says? I'm asking you why you read it that way, and you respond by repeating the verse. Could one be more close-minded and ignorant than that?

I read it that way because I read it without presupposition.

That's impossible. Anyone who thinks they can read without presupposition is a slave to their presuppositions. The best anyone can do is know their presuppositions and test those presuppositions the best they can against other perspectives. Again, I'm asking you why you read it that way, you previously responded by repeating the verse, but now you are just saying because you're reading it correctly. You still haven't expressed why you read it that way outside of the fact that you think it is correct. Why?

God Bless

 

[Andreas]

What if the man is made God after his God resurrects him from the dead, makes him an omnipresent quickening spirit, then enters inside of him, bodily?
Made God by default because every bit of his God is encapsulated in his body?

Or, do you only think a particular portion of God is inside Christ(bodily)?

God became a man by his choosing (Philippians 2; John 1). A man doesn't and can't become God. God, by definition, is eternal regarding the past. Someone who is born in time can't become a being who by definition is the source of all and had no beginning.

Furthermore, the presence of God is omnipresent as to the past, present and future. You have a second god becoming a second omnipresent Spirit or replacing the first omnipresent Spirit. Either way, it is Biblically and logically false. A created entity, by definition, can't become God, because God is uncreated. You haven't thought this through very well. You would have us worshipping a creature, not the One, eternal God.

 

[Truther]

That's impossible. Anyone who thinks they can read without presupposition is a slave to their presuppositions. The best anyone can do is know their presuppositions and test those presuppositions the best they can against other perspectives. Again, I'm asking you why you read it that way, you previously responded by repeating the verse, but now you are just saying because you're reading it correctly. You still haven't expressed why you read it that way outside of the fact that you think it is correct. Why?

God Bless

...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Why? Because it specifically says the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

It is very hard to say this, as you (pre)suppose...

...the Lamb NOT slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Truther]

God became a man by his choosing (Philippians 2; John 1). A man doesn't and can't become God. God, by definition, is eternal regarding the past. Someone who is born in time can't become a being who by definition is the source of all and had no beginning.

Furthermore, the presence of God is omnipresent as to the past, present and future. You have a second god becoming a second omnipresent Spirit or replacing the first omnipresent Spirit. Either way, it is Biblically and logically false. A created entity, by definition, can't become God, because God is uncreated. You haven't thought this through very well. You would have us worshipping a creature, not the One, eternal God.

Phil 2 says God became a man?

God is a man?

I can show you that Phil 2 says an individual of a man, the son of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

You teach the flesh of God thought it not robbery to be equal with his Spirit(as a oneness)?

Trins teach that the 2nd person's flesh thought it not robbery to be equal with all 3 persons(among other things).

You are not far from the trinny.


Now, are you saying that God cannot make His human son a quickening human spirit, omnipresent, nor can He enter inside him and fully indwell His human omnipresent son, bodily?

Maybe God only put "all of His qualities" in His own flesh?(oneness), and not everything that He consists of?

You guys teach that very thing, as Col 2:9 minimizers.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

That's impossible. Anyone who thinks they can read without presupposition is a slave to their presuppositions. The best anyone can do is know their presuppositions and test those presuppositions the best they can against other perspectives. Again, I'm asking you why you read it that way, you previously responded by repeating the verse, but now you are just saying because you're reading it correctly. You still haven't expressed why you read it that way outside of the fact that you think it is correct. Why?

...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Why? Because it specifically says the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

It is very hard to say this, as you (pre)suppose...

...the Lamb NOT slain from the foundation of the world.

The only problem is it doesn't say "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." It says "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." As long as you cut the verse in half, you are doomed to misinterpret it. Still wondering why, outside your silly editing of Scripture to make it sound better, you think you're correct?

God Bless

 

[Truther]

The only problem is it doesn't say "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." It says "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." As long as you cut the verse in half, you are doomed to misinterpret it. Still wondering why, outside your silly editing of Scripture to make it sound better, you think you're correct?

God Bless

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

What a joke.

 

[Truther]

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Was A: the book of life,..... B: those who's names are not written..... C: or the lamb ......slain from the foundation of the world?

Pick one.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

The only problem is it doesn't say "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." It says "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." As long as you cut the verse in half, you are doomed to misinterpret it. Still wondering why, outside your silly editing of Scripture to make it sound better, you think you're correct?

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

What a joke.

What a joke? You cut the verse in half again. Try reading it as a whole without the added emphasis that skews your interpretation. I'm still wondering why, outside your silly editing of Scripture to make it sound better, you think you're correct?

God Bless

 

[Andreas]

Phil 2 says God became a man?

God is a man?

I can show you that Phil 2 says an individual of a man, the son of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

You teach the flesh of God thought it not robbery to be equal with his Spirit(as a oneness)?

Trins teach that the 2nd person's flesh thought it not robbery to be equal with all 3 persons(among other things).

You are not far from the trinny.


Now, are you saying that God cannot make His human son a quickening human spirit, omnipresent, nor can He enter inside him and fully indwell His human omnipresent son, bodily?

Maybe God only put "all of His qualities" in His own flesh?(oneness), and not everything that He consists of?

You guys teach that very thing, as Col 2:9 minimizers.

His human spirit is omnipresent? How is he still human if his humanity transformed into something not human-like? How can God give a creature an eternal past?