Is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus?

[Truther]

Yes, I reject "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" because that is not a sentence found in the KJV of the Bible. I also reject "There is no God." when Psalm 14:1 says "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. ..." I look at the whole sentence as opposed to only seeing part of a sentence like you do. Revelation 13:8 says "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Why on earth would anyone reading this think, it's talking about when the Lamb was slain?

God Bless

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

That figures.

You reject much of the Bible, not just the highlighted.

 

[Truther]

Per the OP, is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus per Col 2:9?

Both trinity and oneness say only all of God's "qualities" are in Jesus' "non omnipresent body".

Both don't believe Col 2:9 as it is written....


9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

 

[Truther]

Here is what Col 2:9 is saying before incarnationists ruin it...

9 For in(INSIDE) him(JESUS' OMNIPRESENT BODY) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead(EVERY BIT OF WHAT GOD CONSISTS OF) bodily.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

Yes, I reject "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" because that is not a sentence found in the KJV of the Bible. I also reject "There is no God." when Psalm 14:1 says "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. ..." I look at the whole sentence as opposed to only seeing part of a sentence like you do. Revelation 13:8 says "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Why on earth would anyone reading this think, it's talking about when the Lamb was slain?

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world
That figures.
You reject much of the Bible, not just the highlighted.

Your statement is equivalent to saying you reject the Bible because you reject "There is no God." That's about as silly a claim as one can make. Read the text, not just what you want to read from the text.

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" means those who names were not written in the book of life of then Lamb slain worshiped this "him". When were those names written? "from the foundation of the world".

God Bless

 

[Truther]

Your statement is equivalent to saying you reject the Bible because you reject "There is no God." That's about as silly a claim as one can make. Read the text, not just what you want to read from the text.
"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" means those who names were not written in the book of life of then Lamb slain worshiped this "him". When were those names written? "from the foundation of the world".

God Bless

Correction....John's statement.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

Your statement is equivalent to saying you reject the Bible because you reject "There is no God." That's about as silly a claim as one can make. Read the text, not just what you want to read from the text.
"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" means those who names were not written in the book of life of then Lamb slain worshiped this "him". When were those names written? "from the foundation of the world".

Correction....John's statement.

You just can't help yourself. No matter how obvious your abuse of Scripture is, you double down on a sentence that isn't written in Revelation 13:8. Your hatred for the God of Scripture is expressed in this.

God Bless

 

[Truther]

You just can't help yourself. No matter how obvious your abuse of Scripture is, you double down on a sentence that isn't written in Revelation 13:8. Your hatred for the God of Scripture is expressed in this.

God Bless

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"


...this is YOUR quote.

I hate God of scripture?

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

You just can't help yourself. No matter how obvious your abuse of Scripture is, you double down on a sentence that isn't written in Revelation 13:8. Your hatred for the God of Scripture is expressed in this.

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"


...this is YOUR quote.

I hate God of scripture?

Now you're abusing both Scripture and my statements to justify your falsehood. "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." isn't a sentence written in Scripture. It's part of a sentence that you are editing to justify your dogma.

God Bless

 

[Truther]

Now you're abusing both Scripture and my statements to justify your falsehood. "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." isn't a sentence written in Scripture. It's part of a sentence that you are editing to justify your dogma.

God Bless

It's the part of the sentence that makes you do scriptural backflips.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

Now you're abusing both Scripture and my statements to justify your falsehood. "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." isn't a sentence written in Scripture. It's part of a sentence that you are editing to justify your dogma.

It's the part of the sentence that makes you do scriptural backflips.

Not even close. But then again, when have you ever considered anything I wrote on this thread? Your Biblical and theological ignorance has blinded you as to cause you to not understand anything I or Scripture says. I doubt you can even express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you.

God Bless

 

[Truther]

Not even close. But then again, when have you ever considered anything I wrote on this thread? Your Biblical and theological ignorance has blinded you as to cause you to not understand anything I or Scripture says. I doubt you can even express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you.

God Bless

All you are saying is Rev 13:8 is not what it appears to be.

You see it backwards.

You even quoted a backwards version to debunk it.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

Not even close. But then again, when have you ever considered anything I wrote on this thread? Your Biblical and theological ignorance has blinded you as to cause you to not understand anything I or Scripture says. I doubt you can even express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you.

All you are saying is Rev 13:8 is not what it appears to be.
You see it backwards.
You even quoted a backwards version to debunk it.

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

If you want to learn how to argue for a particular reading, or if you want to read what many commentaries say on this verse, here is a link. You will find some commentaries agree with your reading, but none of them disrespect Scripture like you have done in this thread.

God Bless

 

[Truther]

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

If you want to learn how to argue for a particular reading, or if you want to read what many commentaries say on this verse, here is a link. You will find some commentaries agree with your reading, but none of them disrespect Scripture like you have done in this thread.

God Bless

I read...

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

You think it says...

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life ... from the foundation of the world...of the lamb slain.

That is backmasking scripture, fella.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

If you want to learn how to argue for a particular reading, or if you want to read what many commentaries say on this verse, here is a link. You will find some commentaries agree with your reading, but none of them disrespect Scripture like you have done in this thread.

I read...
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
You think it says...
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life ... from the foundation of the world...of the lamb slain.
That is backmasking scripture, fella.

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

If you want to learn how to argue for a particular reading, or if you want to read what many commentaries say on this verse, here is a link. You will find some commentaries agree with your reading, but none of them disrespect Scripture like you have done on this thread.

God Bless

 

[Truther]

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

If you want to learn how to argue for a particular reading, or if you want to read what many commentaries say on this verse, here is a link. You will find some commentaries agree with your reading, but none of them disrespect Scripture like you have done on this thread.

God Bless

Do you need commentaries to understand this?...


8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

If you want to learn how to argue for a particular reading, or if you want to read what many commentaries say on this verse, here is a link. You will find some commentaries agree with your reading, but none of them disrespect Scripture like you have done on this thread.

Do you need commentaries to understand this?...
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

If you want to learn how to argue for a particular reading, or if you want to read what many commentaries say on this verse, here is a link. You will find some commentaries agree with your reading, but none of them disrespect Scripture like you have done on this thread.

God Bless

 

[Truther]

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

If you want to learn how to argue for a particular reading, or if you want to read what many commentaries say on this verse, here is a link. You will find some commentaries agree with your reading, but none of them disrespect Scripture like you have done on this thread.

God Bless

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Link up with John here.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

If you want to learn how to argue for a particular reading, or if you want to read what many commentaries say on this verse, here is a link. You will find some commentaries agree with your reading, but none of them disrespect Scripture like you have done on this thread.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Link up with John here.

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

God Bless

 

[Truther]

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

God Bless

You disagree with these highlighted words...

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

They bug you to no end, thus you seek a second, third and fourth opinion of more comfortable versions and commentaries to soothe your headache.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

I knew you couldn't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

You disagree with these highlighted words...

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

They bug you to no end, thus you seek a second, third and fourth opinion of more comfortable versions and commentaries to soothe your headache.

Not, but then again, why would anyone think your assertions on such things are meaningful?

You just quote and highlight without ever thinking about anything the verse says as opposed to:

Vincent's Word Studies​

From the foundation of the world​

These words may be construed with slain or with written. In favor of the latter is Revelation 18:8; of the former, 1 Peter 1:19, 1 Peter 1:20. Alford, pertinently as I think, urges the position of the words in favor of the connection with slain, and says that had it not been for the apparent difficulty of the sense thus conveyed, no one would have thought of going so far back as to hath been written for a connection. Render, as Rev., the lamb that hath been slain from the foundation of the world. Καταβολή foundation is literally a throwing or laying down, from καταβάλλω to throw down; hence a laying down of a foundation.​

One stile of argumentation should be respected, the other condemned. Notice, a meaningful person considers all positions, looks at cross references, and thinks before coming to their position. Or, you can just repeat the verse like a Parrot emphasizing the wrong part of the sentence.

Besides, you still can't express what I said was the reason why I disagree with you. Why would you ever allow yourself to understand what others are saying? If you did, you might have to admit to yourself your own error; and your pride would never, ever allow that. Revelation 13:8 says what it means; you just misread it on purpose for theological reasons.

God Bless