Is Jesus the creator?

I care about you as my fellow human family.

You will never get me to deny the teachings of my Lord Jesus Christ in favour of your false and satanic doctrines.

So kindly stop harassing me.

I clearly see your want to serve God correctly-please check into facts.

I have.
That's how I know that your teachings are anti-Biblical and satanic.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

I am not harrassing you.

Define "harass".

From Merriam-Webster:

v
harassed; harassing; harasses
: to annoy persistently
(2)
: to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct


You are engaging in text-book harassment.

Now kindly stop harassing me.
 
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You will never get me to deny the teachings of my Lord Jesus Christ in favour of your false and satanic doctrines.

So kindly stop harassing me.



I have.
That's how I know that your teachings are anti-Biblical and satanic.
Now kindly stop harassing me.



Define "harass".

From Merriam-Webster:

v
harassed; harassing; harasses
: to annoy persistently
(2)
: to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct


You are engaging in text-book harassment.

Now kindly stop harassing me.
I am having a discussion of Gods truth with you. Why does Gods truth annoy you? Why does your religion fail to support Gods will over satans will and put his name back where he wants it? That is a question of great concern that you should address.
 
I am having a discussion of Gods truth with you.
Please stop harassing me.

Why does Gods truth annoy you?

Please stop the childish and false accusations.
God's truth does not "annoy" me.
Only your false, anti-Biblical, and Satanic claims annoy me.

You've NEVER been able to prove your Satanic claim.

John 1:1 refers to Jesus as "the Word was God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

John 20:28 refers to Jesus as "My Lord and my God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Rom. 9:5 refers to Jesus as "God over all".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Phil. 2:5-6 refers to Jesus as "being in the form of God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Col. 2:9 refers to Jesus as "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Titus 2:13 refers to Jesus as "our great God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Heb. 1:8 refers to Jesus as, "O God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

2 Pet. 1:1 refers to Jesus as, "our God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.


And I will simply REPOST this clear and blatant rebuttal of your satanic teachings as long as you continue to HARASS me.

Why does your religion fail to support Gods will

It doesn't.
YOUR religion is the one that is anti-Biblical.
Now please cease harassig me.

You've NEVER been able to prove your Satanic claim.

John 1:1 refers to Jesus as "the Word was God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

John 20:28 refers to Jesus as "My Lord and my God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Rom. 9:5 refers to Jesus as "God over all".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Phil. 2:5-6 refers to Jesus as "being in the form of God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Col. 2:9 refers to Jesus as "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Titus 2:13 refers to Jesus as "our great God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Heb. 1:8 refers to Jesus as, "O God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

2 Pet. 1:1 refers to Jesus as, "our God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.


And I will simply REPOST this clear and blatant rebuttal of your satanic teachings as long as you continue to HARASS me.

over satans will and put his name back where he wants it? That is a question of great concern that you should address.

Your false accusations and bankrupt claims only prove that you are the one who is devoid of truth.

Now kindly CEASE harassing me.

You've NEVER been able to prove your Satanic claim.

John 1:1 refers to Jesus as "the Word was God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

John 20:28 refers to Jesus as "My Lord and my God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Rom. 9:5 refers to Jesus as "God over all".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Phil. 2:5-6 refers to Jesus as "being in the form of God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Col. 2:9 refers to Jesus as "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Titus 2:13 refers to Jesus as "our great God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Heb. 1:8 refers to Jesus as, "O God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

2 Pet. 1:1 refers to Jesus as, "our God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.


And I will simply REPOST this clear and blatant rebuttal of your satanic teachings as long as you continue to HARASS me.
 
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Please stop harassing me.



Please stop the childish and false accusations.
God's truth does not "annoy" me.
Only your false, anti-Biblical, and Satanic claims annoy me.

You've NEVER been able to prove your Satanic claim.

John 1:1 refers to Jesus as "the Word was God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

John 20:28 refers to Jesus as "My Lord and my God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Rom. 9:5 refers to Jesus as "God over all".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Phil. 2:5-6 refers to Jesus as "being in the form of God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Col. 2:9 refers to Jesus as "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Titus 2:13 refers to Jesus as "our great God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Heb. 1:8 refers to Jesus as, "O God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

2 Pet. 1:1 refers to Jesus as, "our God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.


And I will simply REPOST this clear and blatant rebuttal of your satanic teachings as long as you continue to HARASS me.



It doesn't.
YOUR religion is the one that is anti-Biblical.
Now please cease harassig me.

You've NEVER been able to prove your Satanic claim.

John 1:1 refers to Jesus as "the Word was God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

John 20:28 refers to Jesus as "My Lord and my God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Rom. 9:5 refers to Jesus as "God over all".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Phil. 2:5-6 refers to Jesus as "being in the form of God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Col. 2:9 refers to Jesus as "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Titus 2:13 refers to Jesus as "our great God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Heb. 1:8 refers to Jesus as, "O God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

2 Pet. 1:1 refers to Jesus as, "our God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.


And I will simply REPOST this clear and blatant rebuttal of your satanic teachings as long as you continue to HARASS me.



Your false accusations and bankrupt claims only prove that you are the one who is devoid of truth.

Now kindly CEASE harassing me.

You've NEVER been able to prove your Satanic claim.

John 1:1 refers to Jesus as "the Word was God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

John 20:28 refers to Jesus as "My Lord and my God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Rom. 9:5 refers to Jesus as "God over all".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Phil. 2:5-6 refers to Jesus as "being in the form of God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Col. 2:9 refers to Jesus as "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Titus 2:13 refers to Jesus as "our great God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Heb. 1:8 refers to Jesus as, "O God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

2 Pet. 1:1 refers to Jesus as, "our God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.


And I will simply REPOST this clear and blatant rebuttal of your satanic teachings as long as you continue to HARASS me.
I will pray God opens your heart. Then you can do this--Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking- FIRST the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness--then Jesus sends that one to his Father because they went through him to accomplish this-John 4:22-24. 24/7.365--You see Jesus accepts 0 glory from men( John 5:41)-Mark 10:17-18--John 5:19he directs it to his Father alone. Thus if he wont accept glory from men he sure won't accept worship-obeisance is the correct usage of Proskenaue for Jesus, not worship as the error in your bible suggests.
 
I will pray God opens your heart. Then you can do this--Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking- FIRST the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness--then Jesus sends that one to his Father because they went through him to accomplish this-John 4:22-24. 24/7.365--You see Jesus accepts 0 glory from men( John 5:41)-Mark 10:17-18--John 5:19he directs it to his Father alone. Thus if he wont accept glory from men he sure won't accept worship-obeisance is the correct usage of Proskenaue for Jesus, not worship as the error in your bible suggests.

<sigh>

Don't say I didn't warn you.

PLEASE.
STOP.
HARASSING.
ME.


John 1:1 refers to Jesus as "the Word was God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

John 20:28 refers to Jesus as "My Lord and my God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Rom. 9:5 refers to Jesus as "God over all".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Phil. 2:5-6 refers to Jesus as "being in the form of God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Col. 2:9 refers to Jesus as "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Titus 2:13 refers to Jesus as "our great God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Heb. 1:8 refers to Jesus as, "O God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

2 Pet. 1:1 refers to Jesus as, "our God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.


And I will simply REPOST this clear and blatant rebuttal of your satanic teachings as long as you continue to HARASS me.
 
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<sigh>

Don't say I didn't warn you.

PLEASE.
STOP.
HARASSING.
ME.


John 1:1 refers to Jesus as "the Word was God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

John 20:28 refers to Jesus as "My Lord and my God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Rom. 9:5 refers to Jesus as "God over all".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Phil. 2:5-6 refers to Jesus as "being in the form of God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Col. 2:9 refers to Jesus as "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Titus 2:13 refers to Jesus as "our great God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

Heb. 1:8 refers to Jesus as, "O God".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.

2 Pet. 1:1 refers to Jesus as, "our God and Saviour".
And this directly contradicts your false teachings.


And I will simply REPOST this clear and blatant rebuttal of your satanic teachings as long as you continue to HARASS me.
I have dealt with many who believe errors over Jesus--How sad this satan ruled world is.
 
I have dealt with many who believe errors over Jesus--How sad this satan ruled world is.

<sigh>

PLEASE.
STOP.
HARASSING.
ME.

Jesus is "mighty God" (Isa. 9:6).
Jesus is "God" (John 1:1)
Jesus is "my Lord and my God" (John 20:28).
Jesus is "God over all" (Rom. 9:5).
Jesus is "being in the form of God" (Phil. 2:5-6).
Jesus is "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9).
Jesus is "our great God and Saviour" (Tit. 2:13).
Jesus is "O God" (Heb. 1:8).
Jesus is "our God and Saviour" (2 Pet. 1:1).

You stand refuted.

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Collosians 1 speaks about the beginning creation. verse15--Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation( created direct, first and last)--100% proof it speaks of the beginning creation. Verse 16= Because by means of him( Jesus)all( other) things were created in the heavens and upon the earth( proof its about the beginning, and not born as a mortal as blind guides say) the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or govts or authorities . ALL ( other) things have been created through him and for him. --- See the words-through him? That means one greater than him did the creating through him. At Proverbs 8= Gods master worker=Jesus, he gives all credit to God for the creation at Prov 8. Tells all he was created( Prov 8:22-25)-- Will you believe Jesus over these-2Cor 11:12-15?

Don't worry. They all know how to defy basic reading comprehension.
 
Collosians 1 speaks about the beginning creation. verse15--Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation( created direct, first and last)--100% proof it speaks of the beginning creation. Verse 16= Because by means of him( Jesus)all( other) things were created in the heavens and upon the earth( proof its about the beginning, and not born as a mortal as blind guides say) the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or govts or authorities . ALL ( other) things have been created through him and for him. --- See the words-through him? That means one greater than him did the creating through him. At Proverbs 8= Gods master worker=Jesus, he gives all credit to God for the creation at Prov 8. Tells all he was created( Prov 8:22-25)-- Will you believe Jesus over these-2Cor 11:12-15?
No Jesus isn't the Creator, but the Father is Lord of heaven and earth who is the Creator. Jesus is his holy servant.

Matt 11
25At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Acts 17
24The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth...

Acts 4
24When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
27In fact, this is the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.
 
No Jesus isn't the Creator, but the Father is Lord of heaven and earth who is the Creator. Jesus is his holy servant.

Matt 11
25At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Acts 17
24The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth...

Acts 4
24When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
27In fact, this is the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.
I know Jehovah( Father) created all of it. He is the only power source.
 
Collosians 1 speaks about the beginning creation. verse15--Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation( created direct, first and last)--100% proof it speaks of the beginning creation. Verse 16= Because by means of him( Jesus)all( other) things were created in the heavens and upon the earth( proof its about the beginning, and not born as a mortal as blind guides say) the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or govts or authorities . ALL ( other) things have been created through him and for him. --- See the words-through him? That means one greater than him did the creating through him. At Proverbs 8= Gods master worker=Jesus, he gives all credit to God for the creation at Prov 8. Tells all he was created( Prov 8:22-25)-- Will you believe Jesus over these-2Cor 11:12-15?
Does it actually state as you presume above that “Jesus is the firstborn…by means of Jesus all other things were created…” etc? I cannot find it in the text. What it actually says is that “he” or “him” did all these things referring to the “Lord” in Col. 1:10.

What does Paul say about the Lord? He writes,

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom... For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit. (2 cor. 3:18)​
Ask yourself, Is Jesus the Spirit? Or is Jesus anointed by the Spirit? If the latter then the human Yeshua did not do what you imagine him to do, but instead the Spirit or “Lord” within Jesus who did all those things in Col. 1:16.

I think people have gotten so used to reading “Jesus Christ” in scripture that they forget it actually means two things the anointing of the Holy Spirit or “Lord” UPON the human Yeshua. Jesus christ is not one thing but two, a man selected by the Holy Spirit or Lord for a specific purpose, in this case to rule over God’s family.

Therefore, it is NOT the man Jesus who created all things but his Lord the Holy Spirit. We recognize the man Jesus as our Lord because allegedly the Holy Spirit elevated him above all others. But the man Jesus did not create all things. The soul of Jesus may rule all things someday in a glorified body (whatever that means) after inheriting all things but he did not create all things.

Anyways, just an alternative pov based on evidence and reason.
 
Does it actually state as you presume above that “Jesus is the firstborn…by means of Jesus all other things were created…” etc? I cannot find it in the text. What it actually says is that “he” or “him” did all these things referring to the “Lord” in Col. 1:10.

What does Paul say about the Lord? He writes,

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom... For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit. (2 cor. 3:18)​
Ask yourself, Is Jesus the Spirit? Or is Jesus anointed by the Spirit? If the latter then the human Yeshua did not do what you imagine him to do, but instead the Spirit or “Lord” within Jesus who did all those things in Col. 1:16.

I think people have gotten so used to reading “Jesus Christ” in scripture that they forget it actually means two things the anointing of the Holy Spirit or “Lord” UPON the human Yeshua. Jesus christ is not one thing but two, a man selected by the Holy Spirit or Lord for a specific purpose, in this case to rule over God’s family.

Therefore, it is NOT the man Jesus who created all things but his Lord the Holy Spirit. We recognize the man Jesus as our Lord because allegedly the Holy Spirit elevated him above all others. But the man Jesus did not create all things. The soul of Jesus may rule all things someday in a glorified body (whatever that means) after inheriting all things but he did not create all things.

Anyways, just an alternative pov based on evidence and reason.
Yes God is the only power source. He did it through Jesus( Acts 2:22) 1Cor 8:5-6) Gods holy spirit is the most powerful force in all creation.
 
The agent of creation was "THE WORD" Who was with God, and Who WAS GOD. The WORD then became Flesh, and was named "Jesus".
The word is not called capitol G God in the Greek lexicons. There have been many translations with a god in history, 3 had was divine, 1 had was godlike. All rejected by the religions that would be proven false religion if they accepted those translations. Thus they couldn't. But its almost 100 percent guaranteed all trinity scholars know the word is not called capitol G God at John 1:1 in the Greek lexicons.
There are 2 spots in NT where 2 beings are called God and god--John 1:1, 2 Cor 4:4--In both spots in the Greek lexicons to show the difference of what one is being called, the true God is called Ton Theon=capitol G God, the other 2 are called Theon=god when in the same paragraph with Ton Theon. Translated correctly at 2 Cor 4:4 in trinity translation, but error at John 1:1.
 
The word is not called capitol G God in the Greek lexicons. There have been many translations with a god in history, 3 had was divine, 1 had was godlike. All rejected by the religions that would be proven false religion if they accepted those translations. Thus they couldn't. But its almost 100 percent guaranteed all trinity scholars know the word is not called capitol G God at John 1:1 in the Greek lexicons.
There are 2 spots in NT where 2 beings are called God and god--John 1:1, 2 Cor 4:4--In both spots in the Greek lexicons to show the difference of what one is being called, the true God is called Ton Theon=capitol G God, the other 2 are called Theon=god when in the same paragraph with Ton Theon. Translated correctly at 2 Cor 4:4 in trinity translation, but error at John 1:1.
SO Nothing, then -
 
Collosians 1 speaks about the beginning creation. verse15--Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation( created direct, first and last)--100% proof it speaks of the beginning creation. Verse 16= Because by means of him( Jesus)all( other) things were created in the heavens and upon the earth( proof its about the beginning, and not born as a mortal as blind guides say) the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or govts or authorities . ALL ( other) things have been created through him and for him. --- See the words-through him? That means one greater than him did the creating through him. At Proverbs 8= Gods master worker=Jesus, he gives all credit to God for the creation at Prov 8. Tells all he was created( Prov 8:22-25)-- Will you believe Jesus over these-2Cor 11:12-15?

Jesus can't be the Creator.

His God is the Creator and His God created all alone and by Himself. Isaiah 44:24
 
Jesus didn't create-Only God has the power and wisdom to create anything. He did 99% of it through his master worker=Jesus.

No, Genesis tells us quite plainly how the God of Jesus created heaven and earth - by means of His spoken word which He uttered
 
No, Genesis tells us quite plainly how the God of Jesus created heaven and earth - by means of His spoken word which He uttered
Yes-YHVH( Jehovah) created it all, he is the only one with power, he is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. Jesus is his son, not God.
 
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