Is Jesus the creator?

[keiw]

Paul is referring to the RISEN Christ in this passage.

Yes, I know that does not suit the Watchtower's seriously mistaken interpretation of the passage.

The risen Christ- Rev 3:12

 

[keiw]

And, you did not cover anything in mine!

Stop wasting time. Look!
Deal with these points.

If can not handle it?
Say so.

Here..


No one has seen God without the Trinity because its impossible. How far back can you stand from invisible omnipresence to see Him?
No matter how far back you stand? He will always be all around you and invisible!

That is why the Son is designated to be a human manifestation as to make who and what God is visible.
Visible in a manner humans will readily identify with.

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.​

[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; ​

He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known]." John 1: 18​

God always knew we would need help in being made able to comprehend Him. He provided a perfect way to do so.
God through Jesus Christ makes Himself comprehensible to humans by providing the perfect means to make himself knowable to humans.


In other words?

If God were a man? He would be Jesus!

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.​

[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; ​

He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known]." John 1: 18​

Jesus is not God stopping being God. Jesus is God making Himself knowable to man in terms and thinking that man are able to relate to and understand..

grace and peace .......

Jesus is Gods image( Coll 1:15-- That is how they see the Father in him. He is Gods son= not God.

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus is Gods image( Coll 1:15-- That is how they see the Father in him. He is Gods son= not God.

Not simply in His image. He is being invisible God in a human image!

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."​

The term 'first born' in the Jewish Paul understood was seen as being the head over the household, only second to the Father.
So, if the Father were away? The first born son became the head over the household.

That is why it says - 'at present' - Christ Jesus is being God over all the creation!


Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father,
when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign
until He puts all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be abolished
is death." 1 Corinthians 15:24-26

Since His ascension and glorification, Jesus has been assigned by the Father to be God over all creation!
In a sense... The Father has been sitting back and letting his Son run the show, functioning as God!

"For He must reign until He puts all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be abolished is death."

He is not merely an image of God... He is the means that we can see God with. Seen being manifested outwardly as a man, but inwardly as God in all power... Someone that we can see and relate to.

The following was NEVER said about Adam!

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." Col 2:9​

How can you quote Colossians like you did and miss all those other verses?



grace and peace .....................

 

[Our Lord's God]

Jesus is Gods image( Coll 1:15-- That is how they see the Father in him. He is Gods son= not God.

NO, the RISEN Christ is the image of God.

 

[Our Lord's God]

The risen Christ- Rev 3:12

And what does that have to do with Colossians 1:16? Nothing?

 

[GeneZ]

The bible says YHWH, but the NT says-no man has EVER seen God-Thus-either he could not see YHWH or it was another speaking in YHWH,S NAME. The bible does not contradict itself-twisting what is said does because of inaccurate knowledge.

No man has ever seen God the Father. The Son has two natures in union. One is the same nature as the Father. The other nature in union is a human soul.

John 1:18 tells us specifically that no man has seen the Father (who is always invisible and consists of one nature only. Yet, John 1 :18 tells us that Jesus takes what we can not see concerning God alone, and with His second nature which is in union with God, interprets God in human terms and in that manner makes God knowable for humans!

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No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."​

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Without the Trinity? Without the Son to interpret God and make Him knowable to us?

We could not be discussing God. For John 1:18 tells us that its through the Son is the way the Father is made known to us!

 

[keiw]

Not simply in His image. He is being invisible God in a human image!

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."​

The term 'first born' in the Jewish Paul understood was seen as being the head over the household, only second to the Father.
So, if the Father were away? The first born son became the head over the household.

That is why it says - 'at present' - Christ Jesus is being God over all the creation!


Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father,
when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign
until He puts all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be abolished
is death." 1 Corinthians 15:24-26

Since His ascension and glorification, Jesus has been assigned by the Father to be God over all creation!
In a sense... The Father has been sitting back and letting his Son run the show, functioning as God!

"For He must reign until He puts all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be abolished is death."

He is not merely an image of God... He is the means that we can see God with. Seen being manifested outwardly as a man, but inwardly as God in all power... Someone that we can see and relate to.

The following was NEVER said about Adam!

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." Col 2:9​

How can you quote Colossians like you did and miss all those other verses?



grace and peace .....................

You should have finished 1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself= forever. Proving your statements are not what the bible teaches.

 

[keiw]

NO, the RISEN Christ is the image of God.

Few even know what he taught let alone keep his commands, yet the blind guides assure them they are saved and they believe it.

 

[GeneZ]

You should have finished 1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself= forever. Proving your statements are not what the bible teaches.

You see what you want to see...... Right now? The Father is not being God over all creation.

Then, who is?

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For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, ​

visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. ​

All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, ​

and in Him all things hold together. And He is the head of the body, the church, ​

who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have​

the preeminence." Col 1:16-18​

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Why are you fighting this so hard?​

 

[Our Lord's God]

Few even know what he taught let alone keep his commands, yet the blind guides assure them they are saved and they believe it.

But that couldn't possibly be you, right?

 

[GeneZ]

Few even know what he taught let alone keep his commands, yet the blind guides assure them they are saved and they believe it.

You think its just joining a club of like mined religious people?

We who know were are saved is because we have the Holy Spirit making it known to us that we are saved.
Blind guides are for those who only wish they were saved.

For you have not received the spirit of bondage again in fear; but you have received ​

the spirit of adoption of sons, whereby we cry: Abba (Father)." Romans 8:15​

Believers (yes, who are saved) do get into stupid ideas after they are saved is because they became captives in the spiritual warfare.
The Word of God (when its rightly accepted) is taking up our shield and sword. Its for those who are not cowards. Those not afraid to
enter into the thick of battle in the good fight.

If a believer remains a coward? Still thinking like his old self? He will attack what he perceives as secure believers with what makes him feel insecure. To compound his spiritual instability reinforcements will come from telepathic demonic ideas that keep him locked in, resisting and refusing to become brave and accept what the Word teaches.

Such weak believers live in resentment of those who have endured and gained sound doctrine to give them a strong spiritual backbone.
The counterfeit to the secure believer are many times the closed minded, dogmatic, stubborn souls who keep distorting Scripture in a desire
to destabilize the stabilized believer with what makes themselves feel insecure.

He is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways." James 1:8​

Those who have maturity must learn to put up with such painful encounters.

Why choose to lose? Always resenting others who have victory, capacity for life, and understanding?

If we know who our enemies are? We will stop sounding like them. They are invisible and deceive those who willfully choose ignorance of sound doctrine.

In Christ .............................

 

[keiw]

You see what you want to see...... Right now? The Father is not being God over all creation.

Then, who is?

​

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, ​

visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. ​

All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, ​

and in Him all things hold together. And He is the head of the body, the church, ​

who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have​

the preeminence." Col 1:16-18​

​

Why are you fighting this so hard?​

God is always God over creation. Jesus only does his God and Fathers will.

 

[keiw]

But that couldn't possibly be you, right?

We aren't told we are saved. We listen to Jesus who assures only those living now to do his Fathers will( Matt 7:21) over their own will get to enter his kingdom, and do it all the way until their end -to be saved. Matt 10:22--see those words--will be saved= those who endure until their end.
One can be in a saved position now, but no other mortal knows who that is in reality. They have no right to tell another-you are saved.

 

[keiw]

You think its just joining a club of like mined religious people?

We who know were are saved is because we have the Holy Spirit making it known to us that we are saved.
Blind guides are for those who only wish they were saved.

For you have not received the spirit of bondage again in fear; but you have received ​

the spirit of adoption of sons, whereby we cry: Abba (Father)." Romans 8:15​

Believers (yes, who are saved) do get into stupid ideas after they are saved is because they became captives in the spiritual warfare.
The Word of God (when its rightly accepted) is taking up our shield and sword. Its for those who are not cowards. Those not afraid to
enter into the thick of battle in the good fight.

If a believer remains a coward? Still thinking like his old self? He will attack what he perceives as secure believers with what makes him feel insecure. To compound his spiritual instability reinforcements will come from telepathic demonic ideas that keep him locked in, resisting and refusing to become brave and accept what the Word teaches.

Such weak believers live in resentment of those who have endured and gained sound doctrine to give them a strong spiritual backbone.
The counterfeit to the secure believer are many times the closed minded, dogmatic, stubborn souls who keep distorting Scripture in a desire
to destabilize the stabilized believer with what makes themselves feel insecure.

He is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways." James 1:8​

Those who have maturity must learn to put up with such painful encounters.

Why choose to lose? Always resenting others who have victory, capacity for life, and understanding?

If we know who our enemies are? We will stop sounding like them. They are invisible and deceive those who willfully choose ignorance of sound doctrine.

In Christ .............................

Jesus is clear on the matter of being saved--Matt 7:21--Only those who live now to do his Fathers will, over their own will in this satan ruled system will be allowed to enter his kingdom( be saved)--And they must do that all the way until their end to be saved-Matt 10:22)
No mortal knows who will be saved. They have no right to tell another they are. RUN FROM THEM.

 

[GeneZ]

God is always God over creation. Jesus only does his God and Fathers will.

Hey! Pssssst! Over here!

Jesus "has two natures in union!" Not only one nature!

Do you know what that indicates?

Of course his human nature will always do what His Deity wills!

The Hypostatic union reveals God's beauty of how God removed his obscurity to men.
God would have been completely confusing and foreign to man's thinking if God did not provide his absolutely perfect solution!

It just dumbfounds you.... doesn't it?

John 1:18 Look it up!

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus is clear on the matter of being saved--Matt 7:21--Only those who live now to do his Fathers will, over their own will in this satan ruled system will be allowed to enter his kingdom( be saved)--And they must do that all the way until their end to be saved-Matt 10:22)
No mortal knows who will be saved. They have no right to tell another they are. RUN FROM THEM.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And, what is his will?

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:29​

If you keep persisting in your distorting Scripture and laying claim to a belief in another Jesus? Not what He is?
You are not doing the Father's will. You keep presenting a different Jesus. You are failing to know Jesus.

 

[keiw]

Hey! Pssssst! Over here!

Jesus "has two natures in union!" Not only one nature!

Do you know what that indicates?

Of course his human nature will always do what His Deity wills!

The Hypostatic union reveals God's beauty of how God removed his obscurity to men.
God would have been completely confusing and foreign to man's thinking if God did not provide his absolutely perfect solution!

It just dumbfounds you.... doesn't it?

John 1:18 Look it up!

Jesus will be in subjection to his God and Father = forever-1Cor 15:24-28--once he hands the kingdom back.

 

[keiw]

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And, what is his will?

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:29​

If you keep persisting in your distorting Scripture and laying claim to a belief in another Jesus? Not what He is?
You are not doing the Father's will. You keep presenting a different Jesus. You are failing to know Jesus.

Jesus summed up the Fathers will in a single teaching---Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God.) 1535 pages of utterances, ot-nt, not just 1 passage as you have shown.

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus will be in subjection to his God and Father = forever-1Cor 15:24-28--once he hands the kingdom back.

Yes.... Did you get the rest though?

Who is being God over all creation right now? Before he hands the kingdom back?

And, before He will hand the keys back to the Father?
Who is the one making the Lord's enemies into His footstool?

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?” Matthew 22:44

The two natures of Jesus Christ are spoken of in that verse!

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus summed up the Fathers will in a single teaching---Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God.) 1535 pages of utterances, ot-nt, not just 1 passage as you have shown.

Thanks for those 1535 utterances yourself! .....