Is Jesus the creator?

GeneZ

GeneZ

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keiw said:
God is always God over creation. Jesus only does his God and Fathers will.
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Jesus only does his God and Fathers will. So we can know through Jesus what God thinks.

Jesus is our contact point to know and perceive God.
There is nothing you know about God that did not come to you except through Christ!

He is God's interpreter of God for humans!

Even what you think about the Father was granted through Christ!


No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest ​
relationship with the Father, has made him known. [He has revealed Him and brought Him ​
out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known]. John 1:18​

If God the Son never existed we would not even have the Word of God to think with!

There is NOTHING you know about God that did not come to you without Jesus Christ. He contains all you can know about God!
Jesus is all the God we can know. For all the God you know was granted through Him!


"Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me. "

That's not being "just a man." ​


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keiw

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GeneZ said:
Yes.... Did you get the rest though?

Who is being God over all creation right now? Before he hands the kingdom back?

And, before He will hand the keys back to the Father?
Who is the one making the Lord's enemies into His footstool?

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?” Matthew 22:44

The two natures of Jesus Christ are spoken of in that verse!
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He isn't God-The true living God=YHWH(Jehovah), gave Jesus all authority in heaven and on earth. If Jesus were God he would already of had all authority.
 
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keiw

Well-known member
GeneZ said:
Jesus only does his God and Fathers will. So we can know through Jesus what God thinks.

Jesus is our contact point to know and perceive God.
There is nothing you know about God that did not come to you except through Christ!

He is God's interpreter of God for humans!

Even what you think about the Father was granted through Christ!


No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest ​
relationship with the Father, has made him known. [He has revealed Him and brought Him ​
out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known]. John 1:18​

If God the Son never existed we would not even have the Word of God to think with!

There is NOTHING you know about God that did not come to you without Jesus Christ. He contains all you can know about God!
Jesus is all the God we can know. For all the God you know was granted through Him!


"Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me. "

That's not being "just a man." ​


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The Father is ones destination, through Jesus to do this-John 4:22-24
 
GeneZ

GeneZ

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keiw said:
He isn't God-The true living God=YHWH(Jehovah), gave Jesus all authority in heaven and on earth. If Jesus were God he would already of had all authority.
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"Who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
as something to be used for His own advantage.
Instead He emptied Himself
by assuming the form of a slave,
taking on the likeness of men.
And when He had come as a man
in His external form,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient
to the point of death—
even to death on a cross."

Philippians 2:6-8​



Philippians 2:6-8 reveals how Jesus denied himself of his claim to be God.

After the Cross was completed? He ascended and returned to his position as God. But, this time retaining a glorified body from heaven.

"Then Jesus came to them and said,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

Mat 28:18​

Jesus said that only after he no longer had to live and function as a man. Said after his resurrection!


Connect the dots, Keiw. Don't 'dash' away!


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GeneZ

GeneZ

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keiw said:
Not wise to laugh at what Jesus taught--Proof of ones love isn't lip service its obeying all he commanded-John 14:15
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How many utterances of those 1535 utterances you speak of was used when Jesus shut down Satan in the temptation in the wilderness?

Jesus, like myself, only needed *one* for each distortion Satan presented him.

You create non issues as to make your own rules. Because you are bankrupt of sound doctrinal thinking.

You need to learn to be filled with the Spirit. If you remain as you have been, you will be deeply saddened to see your works burned up and see fantastic glorious rewards denied you as shown in.. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15

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For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already ​
laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation ​
using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work ​
will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. ​
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of ​
each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder ​
will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer ​
loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping ​
through the flames."​
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Why do you resent the truth like you do?

Is it out of feelings of revenge on certain religious people you knew while growing up?






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keiw

Well-known member
GeneZ said:
"Who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
as something to be used for His own advantage.
Instead He emptied Himself
by assuming the form of a slave,
taking on the likeness of men.
And when He had come as a man
in His external form,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient
to the point of death—
even to death on a cross."

Philippians 2:6-8​



Philippians 2:6-8 reveals how Jesus denied himself of his claim to be God.

After the Cross was completed? He ascended and returned to his position as God. But, this time retaining a glorified body from heaven.

"Then Jesus came to them and said,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

Mat 28:18​

Jesus said that only after he no longer had to live and function as a man. Said after his resurrection!


Connect the dots, Keiw. Don't 'dash' away!


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When Jesus went back to heaven the bible says-He sat at the right hand of power, the right hand of God, the right hand of the majesty= his God and Father.
 
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keiw

Well-known member
GeneZ said:
How many utterances of those 1535 utterances you speak of was used when Jesus shut down Satan in the temptation in the wilderness?

Jesus, like myself, only needed *one* for each distortion Satan presented him.

You create non issues as to make your own rules. Because you are bankrupt of sound doctrinal thinking.

You need to learn to be filled with the Spirit. If you remain as you have been, you will be deeply saddened to see your works burned up and see fantastic glorious rewards denied you as shown in.. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15

​
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already ​
laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation ​
using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work ​
will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. ​
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of ​
each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder ​
will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer ​
loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping ​
through the flames."​
​
Why do you resent the truth like you do?

Is it out of feelings of revenge on certain religious people you knew while growing up?






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Jesus said--Those living to do his Fathers will get to enter his kingdom( Matt 7:21) that will is--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT---Live by- means-learned and applied.
 
GeneZ

GeneZ

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keiw said:
When Jesus went back to heaven the bible says-He sat at the right hand of power, the right hand of God, the right hand of the majesty= his God and Father.
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Note! He went back to heaven. He was in heaven before the Incarnation! That speaks not of a man.
 
GeneZ

GeneZ

Well-known member
keiw said:
Jesus said--Those living to do his Fathers will get to enter his kingdom( Matt 7:21) that will is--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT---Live by- means-learned and applied.
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It might be wise to start to heed your own words then, and stop playing the game as if you know what you are doing.
It will harm your eternal status when you stand before the Lord if you do not start looking for some good teachers to learn from.
You express too much presumption as it stands right now, because you keep making stuff up.

Quoting passages without understanding does not magically grant you more grace. You have been confusing so many issues that
it would take hours of good teaching to show you what you want answered in ten seconds.

There are a few good teachers to be found in the body of Christ. Only a few are to be found. James 3:1 agrees with me.

Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, ​
because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." James 3:1​

Yet, we have too many who think they can teach amongst us today.


For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

2 Timothy 4:3

We all must work out our own salvation in fear and trembling ...... For too many false answers are to be found.


In Christ .................
 
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keiw

Well-known member
GeneZ said:
It might be wise to start to heed your own words then, and stop playing the game as if you know what you are doing.
It will harm your eternal status when you stand before the Lord if you do not start looking for some good teachers to learn from.
You express too much presumption as it stands right now, because you keep making stuff up.

Quoting passages without understanding does not magically grant you more grace. You have been confusing so many issues that
it would take hours of good teaching to show you what you want answered in ten seconds.

There are a few good teachers to be found in the body of Christ. Only a few are to be found. James 3:1 agrees with me.

Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, ​
because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." James 3:1​

Yet, we have too many who think they can teach amongst us today.


For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

2 Timothy 4:3

We all must work out our own salvation in fear and trembling ...... For too many false answers are to be found.


In Christ .................
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I didn't make anything up, I show you bible truth, which your own teachers would say is correct, yet its you throwing it away because it doesn't fit your agenda. Show me what i made up?
 
GeneZ

GeneZ

Well-known member
keiw said:
I didn't make anything up, I show you bible truth, which your own teachers would say is correct, yet its you throwing it away because it doesn't fit your agenda. Show me what i made up?
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Its your conclusions that I have a problem with... not the Scripture you cite.

Jehovah witnesses quote truth, but their conclusions destroy it.
 
GeneZ

GeneZ

Well-known member
keiw said:
No not a man prior to earth-Michael the archangel is who was sent by God.
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So, now we have Michael the archangel dying for our sins?!

Tell me. How could an angel (spirit) die for mankind (souls)?


As far as Michael being Jesus?

Revelation 12:7-9 is simply telling us that Michael is to be the one the Lord sends TO LEAD THE ANGELS into battle.
It does not tell us that Michael is the Lord.

And, an angel could not make atonement for a man. Angels have a different type of body, not one like Adam.

And, in turn... Jesus who was human? Could not die for angels!

Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity ​
so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power ​
of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held ​
in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but ​
Abraham’s descendants." Hebrews 2:14-16​


I would quit the club you belong to. They mislead the naïve.....

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keiw

Well-known member
GeneZ said:
So, now we have Michael the archangel dying for our sins?!

Tell me. How could an angel (spirit) die for mankind (souls)?


As far as Michael being Jesus?

Revelation 12:7-9 is simply telling us that Michael is to be the one the Lord sends TO LEAD THE ANGELS into battle.
It does not tell us that Michael is the Lord.

And, an angel could not make atonement for a man. Angels have a different type of body, not one like Adam.

And, in turn... Jesus who was human? Could not die for angels!

Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity ​
so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power ​
of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held ​
in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but ​
Abraham’s descendants." Hebrews 2:14-16​


I would quit the club you belong to. They mislead the naïve.....

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Daniel 12:1--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in the last days.
1Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return he comes with the trumpet of God( announcing his ride) White horse, Rev 6:1-2) and with the voice of the archangel)-- it is his voice, Michael cannot loan his voice out to another.
Rev 6:1= the war in heaven,( Michael takes that ride) Rev 6:2-he receives his crown( only Jesus is getting the crown) That ride of the white horse continues here at Rev 19:11 where Jesus is named on it) does not stop until here( 1 Cor 15:24-28)--Then being a created being who has a God like we do Jesus subjects himself forever.--Michael is the one sent to earth by God-He sent his very best.
 
GeneZ

GeneZ

Well-known member
keiw said:
Daniel 12:1--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in the last days.
1Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return he comes with the trumpet of God( announcing his ride) White horse, Rev 6:1-2) and with the voice of the archangel)-- it is his voice, Michael cannot loan his voice out to another.
Rev 6:1= the war in heaven,( Michael takes that ride) Rev 6:2-he receives his crown( only Jesus is getting the crown) That ride of the white horse continues here at Rev 19:11 where Jesus is named on it) does not stop until here( 1 Cor 15:24-28)--Then being a created being who has a God like we do Jesus subjects himself forever.--Michael is the one sent to earth by God-He sent his very best.
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Not going to argue with someone cut off like you are.
 
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