Is Messianic Judaism a Judiasm.

It depends on the book, the worst books in the MT are both the Samuels. The LXX versions of Proverbs and Job read differently.

The LXX version of Isaiah is very different to the MT.

Book of Ezra and Nehemiah, originally one book, as missing chapters in the MT and is disordered.

They appear to be two translation styles in the LXX, a literal word by word translation and an interpreted translation.
From Quora the Septuagint translation reflects the meaning found in the oldest Jewish texts. So people who claim to follow the truth about God must make a decision, do they follow the “truth” of Rabbis which came later or do they follow the truth found in the possession of the original Jewish-Christians, namely, Essenes? Choices, choices, so many choices, …so many versions of the truth to choose between. It is as if a powerful deception weighs heavy upon the minds of humans and nobody really knows what is true anymore (2 cor. 4:4). Hmmm…
Septuagint or Masoretic texts


The oldest manuscripts of the Bible we have are from the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS), and are over 2000 years old. The Scrolls were in multiple languages, primarily Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Among the Greek scrolls were biblical texts that align perfectly with the text of the Septuagint. The Scrolls as a whole, in all languages they are in, agree with the Septuagint. The Masoretic Text (MT), on the other hand, is speculated to be no older than the 7th century A.D., with its oldest extant copy being from the 9th century A.D., and has major and minor disagreements with the LXX and DSS. The Masoretic Text, evidently, has been edited and suffered from textual corruption over the centuries, straying from the original written traditions.​

From the NRSV, which used the Scrolls and LXX as primary OT sources in its meaning-for-meaning translation;​

Deuteronomy 32: 8–9; When the Most High apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the gods; the LORD's own portion was his people, Jacob his allotted share.​

From the KJV, which used the Masoretic;​

Deuteronomy 32: 8–9; When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. For the LORD’S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.​

You can see how changes were made, and can understand why; a strictly monotheistic faith would not accept the Septuagint reading over the MT, prioritizing the MT Hebrew over the LXX age…..until it turns out that’s what it seems to originally have read, as the Scrolls have shown. A major difference, completely changing the meaning of the text. The original reading makes sense in the context of the culture and era Deuteronomy was written in, and the myths and legends of the time.​
 
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do they follow the “truth” of Rabbis which came later
Oral Torah stretches back to Moses day. God authorizes oral Torah in Deuteronomy 17:8-13. One literally cannot accept the written Torah wihout also accepting the oral Torah.
 
Oral Torah stretches back to Moses day. God authorizes oral Torah in Deuteronomy 17:8-13. One literally cannot accept the written Torah wihout also accepting the oral Torah.
The evidence is that Rabbis changed the meaning of the oldest Hebrew texts to suit themselves so of course they are going to claim to read the minds of dead Hebrews from three thousand years ago in order to rewrite the Hebrew texts that the Rabbis changed. You are so naive.

If the original declaration of independence (DOI) were no longer existing for whatever reason and various copies remained which contradict one another, then of course I am going to claim that my understanding of the DOI represents the original DOI, even if my copy is actually the most edited and recent copy.

This is what the Rabbis have done, edited the oldest Hebrew texts held by the Essenes, to suit themselves, then claimed the Rabbis understand the minds of those who wrote the original Hebrew texts, despite three thousand years elapsing. It is arguably a con.
 
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The evidence is that Rabbis changed the meaning of the oldest Hebrew texts to suit themselves so of course they are going to claim to read the minds of dead Hebrews from three thousand years ago in order to rewrite the Hebrew texts that the Rabbis changed. You are so naive.

If the original declaration of independence (DOI) were no longer existing for whatever reason and various copies remained which contradict one another, then of course I am going to claim that my understanding of the DOI represents the original DOI, even if my copy is actually the most edited and recent copy.

This is what the Rabbis have done, edited the oldest Hebrew texts held by the Essenes, to suit themselves, then claimed the Rabbis understand the minds of those who wrote the original Hebrew texts, despite three thousand years elapsing. It is arguably a con.
Since the Torah was compiled in Babylon, it has not been changed. The idea that the rabbis change texts is a Christian antisemitic conspiracy thoery.
 
Since the Torah was compiled in Babylon, it has not been changed. The idea that the rabbis change texts is a Christian antisemitic conspiracy thoery.
It is actually proven that the Masoretic text promoted by Rabbis is the LEAST accurate texts compared to the oldest Hebrew texts found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint translation. But everything is a conspiracy to those who hold on to error: flat earthers, UFOers, evolution deniers, Judaizers, etc. Most people it appears would rather choose to believe a fantasy than believe the truth. Apparently a human weakness.
 
From Quora the Septuagint translation reflects the meaning found in the oldest Jewish texts. So people who claim to follow the truth about God must make a decision, do they follow the “truth” of Rabbis which came later or do they follow the truth found in the possession of the original Jewish-Christians, namely, Essenes? Choices, choices, so many choices, …so many versions of the truth to choose between. It is as if a powerful deception weighs heavy upon the minds of humans and nobody really knows what is true anymore (2 cor. 4:4). Hmmm…
Septuagint or Masoretic texts


The oldest manuscripts of the Bible we have are from the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS), and are over 2000 years old. The Scrolls were in multiple languages, primarily Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Among the Greek scrolls were biblical texts that align perfectly with the text of the Septuagint. The Scrolls as a whole, in all languages they are in, agree with the Septuagint. The Masoretic Text (MT), on the other hand, is speculated to be no older than the 7th century A.D., with its oldest extant copy being from the 9th century A.D., and has major and minor disagreements with the LXX and DSS. The Masoretic Text, evidently, has been edited and suffered from textual corruption over the centuries, straying from the original written traditions.​

From the NRSV, which used the Scrolls and LXX as primary OT sources in its meaning-for-meaning translation;​

Deuteronomy 32: 8–9; When the Most High apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the gods; the LORD's own portion was his people, Jacob his allotted share.​

From the KJV, which used the Masoretic;​

Deuteronomy 32: 8–9; When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. For the LORD’S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.​

You can see how changes were made, and can understand why; a strictly monotheistic faith would not accept the Septuagint reading over the MT, prioritizing the MT Hebrew over the LXX age…..until it turns out that’s what it seems to originally have read, as the Scrolls have shown. A major difference, completely changing the meaning of the text. The original reading makes sense in the context of the culture and era Deuteronomy was written in, and the myths and legends of the time.​

Deuteronomy 32:8
MT בהנחל עליון גוים בהפרידו בני אדם יצב גבלת עמים למספר בני ישראל
LXX ὅτε διεμέριζεν ὁ ὕψιστος ἔθνη ὡς διέσπειρεν υἱοὺς Αδαμ ἔστησεν ὅρια ἐθνῶν κατὰ ἀριθμὸν ἀγγέλων θεοῦ

In the Septuagint, the verb διαμερίζω is usually used for חלק and διασπείρω for זרה or פוץ, so the verb choice are unusual and בהנחל and בהפרידו are articular infinitives?.

Deuteronomy 32:8 KEY
ἐν τῷ κληροῦν בהנחל when drawing lots
Ὑπερίων עליון God above
γαιῶν גוים for the land people (or littoral people)
ἐν τῷ ὁρίζειν αὐτοῦ בהפרידו when dividing his
ἀνθρώπους בני אדם men
ἵστησι יצב he set
ἐφόρια גבלת boundaries
λαῶν עמים for the people (or δήμων plebs)
ψηφισμῷ למספר to the pebbles
Ἰσραάλείδας בני ישראל of the Sons of Israel

I notice similar passage in Joshua.

Joshua 4:5 Take ye up every man of you a stone upon his shoulder, according unto the number of the tribes of the children of Israel:
MT הרימו לכם איש אבן אחת על־שכמו למספר שבטי בני־ישראל
LXX ἀνελόμενος ἐκεῗθεν ἕκαστος λίθον ἀράτω ἐπὶ τῶν ὤμων αὐτοῦ κατὰ τὸν ἀριθμὸν τῶν δώδεκα φυλῶν τοῦ Ισραηλ

In this verse אבן means λᾶιγξ (λάιγγ-) small stones, pebble, ancient peoples commonly uses pebbles for counting and casting lots or votes. Thus מספר is ψηφισμός "the use of pebbles (in casting lots)". שבטי δικασταί Sophetes. בני ישראל can combine into Ἰσραάλείδαι 'sons of Israel.
 
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It is actually proven that the Masoretic text promoted by Rabbis is the LEAST accurate texts compared to the oldest Hebrew texts found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint translation. But everything is a conspiracy to those who hold on to error: flat earthers, UFOers, evolution deniers, Judaizers, etc. Most people it appears would rather choose to believe a fantasy than believe the truth. Apparently a human weakness.
Actually, the discovery of the dead sea scrolls underscored just how accurately and faithfully the texts were copied.
 
It was God who helped me see the truth. He is not going to let me go back into a lie.
When you were in the RCC you were in a lie. You never became Born again so there was no transformation and the renewing of your mind. You fell back into religion instead of a relationship with the Messiah. If you truly would have seeked after the Truth you would have found it and you would have become a follower of the true Messiah. The good news there is still hope for you. Repent and receive Yeshua as your Messiah.
 
The religion that is Judaism today did not exist in ancient times or in 1st century CE Judea, so there were no one walking around 1st century Judea wearing skull caps, with a payot, wearing hexagrams and dressed in black.

Base Abrahamic religion
>
Gospel > Christianity
> Talmud > Judaism
> Quran > Islam

Also, the Talmud and Quran are newer then the New Testament books, therefore Christianity is older then Judaism.

So, there is no authentic original Abraham religion today. What was is gone.
 
thank you


so you believe the new testament of some Jews
and
I believe the New Testament of some Jews
We don't use the words new testament, because that sounds like it is replacing the torah. For the same reason, we don't use the words Old Testament, as if it is done away with.
 
The answer is a resounding no. Messianic Judaism is Christianity, and faces ethical criticism for lying about this.

Not only does Messianic Judaism believe that Jesus is the messiah and that he died for sins, which is the core of Christian belief, it also accepts that Jesus is God -- that is something utterly blasphemous to Jews. It also accept the New Testament, which is not part of the Jewish canon, but of the Chrsitian canon.

On the flip side, the things that are core to Judaism is Torah and Talmud. If a religion has no place for Torah and Talmud, they are not Judaism. With very few exceptions, most MJ congregations are "Bible Only" -- they are obvious spinoffs of Protestant Christianity.

MJ's need to be honest. Lying and saying you are a Judaism just takes away from your credibility.
Messianic Judaism is certainly a form of Christianity, albeit with stronger Jewish elements than many other forms.
 
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