Is the Atonement sufficient for all ?

Sethproton

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Show is in the BIBLE where faith is a "choice".

As for me, God gave me faith (Eph. 2:8, Phil. 1:29, Rom. 12:3, 2 Pet. 1:1, 1 Cor. 4:7, etc.), and because of the nature of faith, I necessarily believed.

Just out of curiosity, how old were you when you "chose" to beat your heart?
How old were you when you first "chose" to breathe?
You ignored the point because it refutes you.
The Greek word for "believe" can mean entrust yourself to.
That is something you must do.
 
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TomFL

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Show is in the BIBLE where faith is a "choice".

As for me, God gave me faith (Eph. 2:8, Phil. 1:29, Rom. 12:3, 2 Pet. 1:1, 1 Cor. 4:7, etc.), and because of the nature of faith, I necessarily believed.

Just out of curiosity, how old were you when you "chose" to beat your heart?
How old were you when you first "chose" to breathe?
Are you going to claim you were born with faith ?

and again a number of those verses are not speaking of saving faith Rom 12:3; 1Cor 4:7

one says salvation is the gift Eph 2:8

One does not say how faith is obtained 2Pet1:1

and one speaks of faith being granted as is suffering Phil 1:29

None speak of saving faith as something God installs in some and does not in others
 

Theo1689

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You ignored the point because it refutes you.
The Greek word for "believe" can mean entrust yourself to.
That is something you must do.

Nope, YOU are the one "ignoring the point because it refutes YOU".

I never denied that beleve means "entrust yourself".
I never denied it's something we "do".

What I deny (and what I'm waiting for you to PROVE from the Bible) is that belief is something we allegedly "choose" to do. But you keep RUNNING AWAY.
 
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TomFL

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Nope, YOU are the one "ignoring the point because it refutes YOU".

I never denied that beleve means "entrust yourself".
I never denied it's something we "do".

What I deny (and what I'm waiting for you to PROVE from the Bible) is that belief is something we allegedly "choose" to do. But you keep RUNNING AWAY.
How can you entrust yourself to something without a choice to do so
 

Our Lord's God

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Show is in the BIBLE where faith is a "choice".

As for me, God gave me faith (Eph. 2:8, Phil. 1:29, Rom. 12:3, 2 Pet. 1:1, 1 Cor. 4:7, etc.), and because of the nature of faith, I necessarily believed.

Just out of curiosity, how old were you when you "chose" to beat your heart?
How old were you when you first "chose" to breathe?

And what about your "choosing" to sin?

Or did God do that for you?
 
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TomFL

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Theo1689 said:
Show is in the BIBLE where faith is a "choice".

As for me, God gave me faith (Eph. 2:8, Phil. 1:29, Rom. 12:3, 2 Pet. 1:1, 1 Cor. 4:7, etc.), and because of the nature of faith, I necessarily believed.

Did God give you the gift of suffering as well ?
 

Sethproton

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Nope, YOU are the one "ignoring the point because it refutes YOU".

I never denied that beleve means "entrust yourself".
I never denied it's something we "do".

What I deny (and what I'm waiting for you to PROVE from the Bible) is that belief is something we allegedly "choose" to do. But you keep RUNNING AWAY.
Then how do you do something like entrust yourself to God without choosing to do it?
You cannot.
If You are not choosing, then you are not entrusting
 

Sethproton

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Rhetorical questions are not valid arguments.
They're just dodging.



Prove it.



Why should anyone accept your anti-Biblical nonsense?
It is not nonsense to say you choose to entrust yourself to God.
It is fact in the real world. Otherwise the words have no meaning.
 

Theo1689

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It is not nonsense to say you choose to entrust yourself to God.
It is fact in the real world. Otherwise the words have no meaning.

Oooooooh..... You've really found a fool-proof argument, haven't you?

You no longer need the Bible to prove ANYTHING.
All you have to say is, "If you don't agree with my ridiculous assertions, then words have no meaning."
 
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TomFL

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Rhetorical questions are not valid arguments.
They're just dodging.



Prove it.



Why should anyone accept your anti-Biblical nonsense?
You provided no evidence in support of your claim

Choose definition

decide on a course of action, typically after rejecting alternatives.

How can you embark on a course of action without deciding on that course of action ?

How can you decide on a course of action without choosing that action ?
 

Sethproton

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Oooooooh..... You've really found a fool-proof argument, haven't you?

You no longer need the Bible to prove ANYTHING.
All you have to say is, "If you don't agree with my ridiculous assertions, then words have no meaning."
your post is not reasonable.
You know that if you entrust yourself to someone, it is your choice.
 

Theo1689

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You know that if you entrust yourself to someone, it is your choice.

<sigh>
Please stop MISREPRESENTING me, seth.
I don't "know" any such thing.

The Bible plainly teaches that faith is a "gift", NOT a "choice".

What Bible verse can you show me that allegedly teaches that faith is a "choice"?
 

Sethproton

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<sigh>
Please stop MISREPRESENTING me, seth.
I don't "know" any such thing.

The Bible plainly teaches that faith is a "gift", NOT a "choice".

What Bible verse can you show me that allegedly teaches that faith is a "choice"?
When you refuse to acknowledge truth, you will never end up with valid doctrine
 
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TomFL

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<sigh>
Please stop MISREPRESENTING me, seth.
I don't "know" any such thing.

The Bible plainly teaches that faith is a "gift", NOT a "choice".

What Bible verse can you show me that allegedly teaches that faith is a "choice"?
Actually no the bible does not teach faith is a gift in the sense you mean it

Nowhere is God stated to irresistibly instill faith in some while with-holding it from others


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Theo1689

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Really, the poster who refuses to admit that we must choose to entrust ourselves is lecturing me

Why would you expect me to "admit" something that is (1) patently false, and (2) anti-Biblical?

You see, seth.... This is why your theology is false.
You can't demonstrate it from Scripture, and when challenged to do so, all you have are personal insults.
 

Sethproton

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Why would you expect me to "admit" something that is (1) patently false, and (2) anti-Biblical?

You see, seth.... This is why your theology is false.
You can't demonstrate it from Scripture, and when challenged to do so, all you have are personal insults.
I am talking about real life which the Bible is. Noone can entrust themselves to anyone without choosing to do it.
That is not false
 
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