Pipiripi
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The Roman Catholic ChurchThen who is the anti-christ?? Give me a name!
The Roman Catholic ChurchThen who is the anti-christ?? Give me a name!
The irony is that in Revelation 20:1-6, Satan is defeated before Jesus resurrected those saints that went through the great tribulation period. That means Jesus is on earth when lining Zechariah 14:1-5 with Revelation 20:1-6 so there is no catching up at the end of the great tribulation when the rapture was before the great tribulation for why He is coming back with the saints at the end of the great tribulation.REALLY? Then what do you call this?
ZECH 14:
1. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
There are many anti-christs right now, but that son of perdition will not be revealed until halfway through the great tribulation.Then who is the anti-christ?? Give me a name!
Since it is on God to cause the increase, you may never know until later in Heaven if that was a waste of 10 minutes or not. God may cause the increase later on. Since it is on the Lord Jesus Christ, pray that He will help him see the truth in His words since we are blessed with eyes that can see this truth in His words as we look to Him for help in laying aside every weight & sin daily to be found abiding in Him and be willing to go too..what a waste of ten minutes that I will neve get back!
Sometimes, we think we are reading what Jesus wants us to know and yet not all scripture aligns with what we thought He wanted us to see as the truth in His words. Since scripture cannot go against scripture, we should always be opened to being pruned by Him so we may bear more fruit.I don't ask you to believe, I said LOOK IN YOUR BIBLE. If I have write something that isn't in the Bible, show me where!!
My teacher and master is only Jesus Christ.
Read the rapture theory with only your Bible!!what a waste of ten minutes that I will neve get back!
You do it.Read the rapture theory with only your Bible!!
I think you didn't read it good. Just take the barrier out of your mind, and start reading again. Is the rapture theory BIBLICAL.You do it.
Explain Luke 14:15-24 for why what Jesus has described as the times we are living in that believers would make excuses not to come to the Marriage Supper cannot apply to the end of the great tribulation when He comes as the King of kings? No believer would be tempted not to come to the Marriage Supper in Heaven to stay at the end of the great tribulation when their lives on earth has been miserable all that time during the great tribulation with Satan waging war on the saints.
Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
I mean really. Think about it with His help. The world's armies are marching against Jerusalem at the end of the great tribulation for why and when Jesus comes back as the King of kings, right? Hardly like a thief in the night.
Jesus coming as the Bridegroom to gather those abiding in Him for the Marriage Supper is the rapture that comes like a thief in the night.
You can prove to me that you read it and understood it by applying His words that it has nothing to do with the rapture.I think you didn't read it good. Just take the barrier out of your mind, and start reading again. Is the rapture theory BIBLICAL.
Then you will see that Jesus coming as a thief is not to take the church. Go read it again. Leave your teaching aside and see if there is something that you read is not written in the Bible or it is not in harmony with what the scriptures teach.
FYI, the Holy Spirit is Omnipresent! He dwells in all born again believers ( 1 Cor.6:19 )! He works through those believers ( the True Church or Bride of Christ ) to keep evil in check! So when 1 Thess.4:14-17 transpires, He is still present on earth as well in Heaven in those believers Glorified bodies! Thus the MOL ( AC ) in 2 Thess.2:1-8 can then REVEAL himself by confirming the covenant ( Peace Treaty in the Middle East ) with many ( Israel & the surrounding Muslim nations in Dan.9:27! Then the Jews can rebuild their Temple in the First half of that seven, while the Two Witnesses ( Not the Church that is in Heaven for the wedding of the Lamb - Jesus ) Prophecy as per Rev.11:2-15! When they finish the first half ( 3.5 years - the 1,260 days ), God removes His protection and the get killed and Raptured ( Mid Trib. ) to Heaven! Then the GREAT Trib. of 3.5 Years gets stated as the AC stops the sacrifice and exalts himself as God in the rebuilt Temple as per 2 Thess.2:4! At the END of the Great Trib., Jesus returns ( with His Bride ) as part of those Armies of Heaven as per Rev.19:11-21! They are dressed in white and NOT just the angels return with Him! Case & POINT - 1 Thess.4:17 says we will be WITH the LORD Forever and NOT left in Heaven for those 1000 Years that He REIGNS on planet earth as per Rev.20:1-6! Case Closed!Yes, He's omnipresent. But the way I was told it, the Holy Spirit, the Restrainer, would be "removed". I really don't remember the details, whether He will "go elsewhere" or "go inactive".
I didn't catch the first question?
So the reason why the restrainer be taken out of the way is when saved believers err by believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation. It is for that reason God will permit that strong delusion to occur because they open themselves up to receive another Jesus, another spirit, hence another gospel.FYI, the Holy Spirit is Omnipresent! He dwells in all born again believers ( 1 Cor.6:19 )! He works through those believers ( the True Church or Bride of Christ ) to keep evil in check!
Again! If you didn't read the rapture theory only with your Bible, we cannot enter a friendly debate of love to understand and see what is the truth. I know your believing in God, but you don't know why my believe is BIBLICAL!! Why? Because you didn't read my thread only with the Bible!!You can prove to me that you read it and understood it by applying His words that it has nothing to do with the rapture.
Explain Luke 14:15-24 for why what Jesus has described as the times we are living NOW in that believers would make excuses not to come to the Marriage Supper fir why it cannot apply to the end of the great tribulation when He comes as the King of kings?
No believer would be tempted not to come to the Marriage Supper in Heaven to stay at the end of the great tribulation when their lives on earth has been miserable all that time during the great tribulation with Satan waging war on the saints.
So ask Him when that Marriage Supper will be since the time He is describing is now; not for the end of the great tribulation.
Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
Well, you cited so many verses but you were applying them wrong. By addressing the few references I had given you to start with, is proof how you were applying them all wrong, but It seems the Lord may be leading me to address each reference of yours.Again! If you didn't read the rapture theory only with your Bible, we cannot enter a friendly debate of love to understand and see what is the truth. I know your believing in God, but you don't know why my believe is BIBLICAL!! Why? Because you didn't read my thread only with the Bible!!
Your application of John 17:15 is not nulling and voiding the rapture event when God will judge His House first. Since scripture cannot go against scripture... then how do you apply this warning for believers to be ready or else?THE RAPTURE THEORY
John 17:15 ...'I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.'
There is a teaching today that is rife within the Christian world, called the rapture. What is the rapture theory? It is believed by those who hold to this theory (and there are MANY who do), that the "church" will be raptured away to heaven and then the earth will continue for a period of seven years (called the tribulation) in which the inhabitants of the earth will be plunged into a time of great trouble and strife (more so than now). So according to this teaching there is a separation to take place between the saved and the lost BEFORE the end of the world.
In this teaching we are also told that Christ will return in two "phases". The first will be a "quiet" affair with the saints being raptured away. And then the second phase after the seven year tribulation will be the "glorious, triumphant" return, which according to this teaching, will usher in the 1000 year millennial ON EARTH (which is also a false teaching).
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.THE RAPTURE THEORY
Number 1. "THE RAPTURE IS THE 'BLESSED HOPE' WHILE THE SECOND COMING IS A DAY TO BE GREATLY FEARED" ... They separate the rapture and second coming saying that the rapture is the 'blessed hope' quoting Titus 2:13, and the second coming is the 'FEARED day of the Lord', quoting Amos 5:18. They believe these must be different events, because one is to be hoped for, and the other is to be feared. But they faith to realize the simple truth that the second coming is the 'blessed hope' for the saved in Jesus, and to be 'greatly feared' by those who reject the Lord. Simple logical truly.
Show me which is wrong, and is not in accordance with the Bible.Well, you cited so many verses but you were applying them wrong. By addressing the few references I had given you to start with, is proof how you were applying them all wrong, but It seems the Lord may be leading me to address each reference of yours.
When someone say "I believe", let me see that they are not sure!! You must be sure that what you are saying is true and BIBLICAL!!Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These are saints abiding in Him to escape what is coming on the earth.
Below in Amos are the saints that walked in darkness for why they are left behind and "weeping and gnashing their teeth".
Amos 8:16 Therefore the Lord, the God of hosts, the Lord, saith thus; Wailing shall be in all streets; and they shall say in all the highways, Alas! alas! and they shall call the husbandman to mourning, and such as are skilful of lamentation to wailing. 17 And in all vineyards shall be wailing: for I will pass through thee, saith the Lord. 18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light. 19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. 20 Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
To expound on my application from Revelation 14th chapter; Revelation 14:1-5 testify of the 144,000 virgin men that speak no lies that has been redeemed from the earth to serve the Lord as His personal choir that follows Him around wherever He goes. That is not all that was raptured, but it does proceed the 3 angels in setting up the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth in Revelation 14:6-11.
Don't forget the fall of Babylon in Revelation 14:8 where it is described in details but there are saints left behind to die in Revelation 18th chapter.
So that is how those 2 references of yours align with those references in Revelation, but only the Lord can help you see that.
For confirmation that the Lord is warning believers to be ready or else can be found in Luke 12:40-49 as well as Peter warned believers in 2 Peter 3rd chapter
I believe the Lord wants me to stop here rather than continue. I have begun to address your references and so it is time for our discussion to begin, otherwise you have no answer which only means you need to ask Jesus for wisdom regarding the matter.
It is true & I believe the rapture is when God will judge His House first as the Bridegroom, gathering saints that ae abiding in Him & are willing to go to the Marriage Supper above. leaving behind saved believers that loved this life more than Him to not to leave ( Luke 21:34-36 & Luke 14:15-24 ) as well as leaving behind workers of iniquity for why He would deny them ( Titus 1:15-16 & Luke 7:21-23 ) for not being ready ( Luke 12:40-49 ).When someone say "I believe", let me see that they are not sure!! You must be sure that what you are saying is true and BIBLICAL!!
That is your way of not wanting to have a discussion with me by applying verses to the topic at hand, but to avoid the discussion altogether.Read all my threads, because it will takes time for someone to see the true. When you are not open to see what the Bible says, and compare scripture with scripture. You will never understand the Bible.
Have you read post #35 yet? I saw your response to post # 36 by your response on wishing to avoid the discussion altogether by sending me off to read all your posts, but not to post # 35.Show me which is wrong, and is not in accordance with the Bible.