IS THE RCC THE ONE TRUE CHURCH

balshan

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The RCC makes many claims but are they true? They claim that it is the one true church, apostolic, pillar and foundation of truth, established by Jesus. These claims apparently give them the right to add to scriptures things like the Marian doctrines, praying to the dead and their leaders (pope and his buddies) being infallible under certain conditions. They can never tell us how they come about these so called infallible declarations either.

Now all their standings fall upon the claim that they are the one true church, can they prove said claim. What does scripture tell us this church will look like, what tree is it, what tests does it need to pass to prove that it is the one true church or is it just RCC revisionist history?
 
The RCC makes many claims but are they true? They claim that it is the one true church, apostolic, pillar and foundation of truth, established by Jesus. These claims apparently give them the right to add to scriptures things like the Marian doctrines, praying to the dead and their leaders (pope and his buddies) being infallible under certain conditions. They can never tell us how they come about these so called infallible declarations either.

Now all their standings fall upon the claim that they are the one true church, can they prove said claim. What does scripture tell us this church will look like, what tree is it, what tests does it need to pass to prove that it is the one true church or is it just RCC revisionist history?
The RCC claims it is the one and only true church. When asked why this is so, Roman Catholics say (not always this directly), "Because the RCC says that it is, and I have faith in what the RCC says!"

--Rich
 
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IMO, the Roman Catholic Church does not seek Christ, He is not their "Lord" - that position has been handed over to the Roman Catholic pope. The Roman Catholic Church lives for their own created "kingdom," using Jesus Christ is the main focus they use Him as the lure they need to use to their own advantage. They have an all consuming passion that ALL persons should come into their 'kingdom of God on earth, which is the #1 goal of the RCC's own desires, own interests and ultimate fulfillment.
 
using Jesus Christ is the main focus they use Him as the lure they need to use to their own advantage.

Have you seen dingoling's comment? It backs up the above quote. dingoling is all to happy to throw Jesus under the bus. Why oh why, do rc's put up a blockade and a stumbling stone, to keep others from getting into the kingdom of God?

dingoling said:
You want us to believe something that Jesus or the Bible have never stated.
o_O
 
No, not by a LOOOONNNGGG shot!
The RCs cannot defend this claim, if they cannot defend the claim from the op then they have nothing to stand on at all. It is this claim that they think justifies all their false doctrines and practices. Without this claim standing, they have nothing.

It is obvious from their inability to respond to the op they have no leg to stand on at all. They are not the one true church.
 
The RCC claims it is the one and only true church. When asked why this is so, Roman Catholics say (not always this directly), "Because the RCC says that it is, and I have faith in what the RCC says!"

--Rich
But it is said directly. Karl Keating in Catholicism and Fundamentalism says marys assumption is true because the church says its true. And other catholics here say that very same thing. Despite all evidence to the contrary if the bible says something is white they'll say its black because the church teaches that its black. Its a spiritual deception of the highest order.
 
The foundational error in Catholicism is taking the word church in Scripture, transposing it to Church, then pretends church pertains to them. Truly deceptive.

The Catholic Church was the originator of the cancel tactic by attempting to cancel the church established by Jesus Christ and having them replace it. Truly insane since Jesus Christ said nothing can overcome His church, not any Church, much less the Catholic Church.
 
Just for comparison, let's contrast the Catholic notion of church with prevailing notion expressed above, and that is that "church" is simply the body of all faithful believers in the Gospel. Let's see how that definition stands up.

Start by asking the question, "Where are they?" (these members of "the church") and what does this church look like? Can these members be found in a Baptist church? Maybe. Some of them. After all, "the church" is not a formal organization according to the definition under consideration. "The church" is just a collection of people with similar beliefs. Can members of the "true church" be found within a Lutheran congregation? Also maybe. How about Methodist? Maybe some of them are in God's true church too. Maybe there are even a few to be found in a Catholic parish community. And maybe some members of God's true church don't attend any formal organized gathering under any denomination. As long as they believe in the Gospel, they are members of "the church". That's what God's church looks like under the "nonRCC" definition of church.

With that understanding of what the church looks like and where its members may be found, let's see how "the church" today compares with the church as described in the New Testament. In your town, if you have a Baptist Church and a Lutheran Church, how often do you see those congregations worshipping together - even when their church buildings are on the same block? How often do you see a Lutheran pastor invited to deliver the sermon at a Baptist church, and vice versa? If you normally attend a Lutheran service, how comfortable would you be participating in the worship service at a Baptist church while on vacation in a strange city? Would you not rather search out a service at a church of your own denomination? You may be bound by a common belief, but you are not part of the same community of believers. Those not affiliated with any formal organization have it even worse, for where is their community? A common feature of the New Testament Church is that they gathered together for common worship. The sense of community was from the beginning an essential part of "the church". The abstract definition of "the church" as simply the set of people with similar beliefs lacks the component of community.

Now, to be sure, various specific denominations have very active community activities, with Sunday worship, Wednesday bible study, charitable group activities, Sunday School, Vacation Bible School, etc. Within their own denomination each named church recognizes the importance of community in the life of the church. That suggests that maybe one of them is "the church". Maybe the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod is the one true church? I don't think even the Lutherans themselves claim that to be true. That still leaves us with a disconnected group of people defined only by the fact that they believe in the Gospel personally. And whatever Christian community they happen to be a part of has no regular connection with the larger church community. To be true to the Gospel, the church should be one, as Jesus prayed that they may all be one. Unity is another characteristic that was stressed in the New Testament. Paul warned against dividing into factions based on which preacher they happened to like (Paul, Apollos, Cephas).

In order to dismiss the Catholic Church as the one true church, one should be able to point a better alternative. And by "point to" I do not mean to simply give an abstract definition. The Catholic Church is criticized by pointing to specific people and actions and statements made by those people. And proposed alternative community should be just as visible in specific people. That I have not seen attempted here. All I have seen is a one-sided criticism of the Catholic Church without a specific alternative offered.
 
The RCC makes many claims but are they true? They claim that it is the one true church, apostolic, pillar and foundation of truth, established by Jesus. These claims apparently give them the right to add to scriptures things like the Marian doctrines, praying to the dead and their leaders (pope and his buddies) being infallible under certain conditions. They can never tell us how they come about these so called infallible declarations either.

Now all their standings fall upon the claim that they are the one true church, can they prove said claim. What does scripture tell us this church will look like, what tree is it, what tests does it need to pass to prove that it is the one true church or is it just RCC revisionist history?
Jesus has defeated the power of darkness. The church he established is the pillar and bulwark of the truth, and the darkness will not overcome it.

Given these facts we need to just look at which church has endured from the time of Jesus to today. The only church that has endured and has a history is the Catholic Church.
 
Jesus has defeated the power of darkness. The church he established is the pillar and bulwark of the truth, and the darkness will not overcome it.

Given these facts we need to just look at which church has endured from the time of Jesus to today. The only church that has endured and has a history is the Catholic Church.
Does the Greek Orthodox Church count?
 
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I believe that there are around 13 different Orthodox Churches. Greek Orthodox is just one of them. And no they do not count.
Your claim was
"The only church that has endured and has a history is the Catholic Church."

why doesn't the Greek Orthodox Church count ??
 
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Because they separated themselves from the Catholic church. Their history has to go through the Catholic to go back to the time of Jesus and the apostles.

you claimed:
"The only church that has endured and has a history is the Catholic Church."

But The Greek Orthodox Church is as old as your Church:
and The Greek Orthodox Church has endured: correct?

and once again... another false claim from ding
 
The RCC makes many claims but are they true? They claim that it is the one true church, apostolic, pillar and foundation of truth, established by Jesus. These claims apparently give them the right to add to scriptures things like the Marian doctrines, praying to the dead and their leaders (pope and his buddies) being infallible under certain conditions. They can never tell us how they come about these so called infallible declarations either.

Now all their standings fall upon the claim that they are the one true church, can they prove said claim. What does scripture tell us this church will look like, what tree is it, what tests does it need to pass to prove that it is the one true church or is it just RCC revisionist history?
Just as we followers of the Way would/will die for our Lord, God and Savior, our fairh and testimony that there is no other name under heaven by which we are saved, so too, sadly, Rc's would/will die on the hill of Rome, proclaiming their institution, its rules, dogmas, traditions and "pope" are the only way to salvation.
 
you claimed:
"The only church that has endured and has a history is the Catholic Church."

But The Greek Orthodox Church is as old as your Church:
and The Greek Orthodox Church has endured: correct?

and once again... another false claim from ding
It's not a false claim. Their history goes back to the 11th century when they split from the Catholic church.
 
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