Is the Spirit owned by all three members of the Trinity?

Andreas

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The doctrine of the Trinity fails remarkably in regards to the theology of the Spirit of God. It is the elephant in the room that Trinitarians refuse to acknowledge as a problem. That their theory breaks down as an explanatory model here, is a huge red flag that there are fatal problems with the triune persons concept.

In a recent post https://forums.carm.org/threads/why-im-not-a-trinitarian.13037/page-5#post-1043412 a Trinitarian stated that "this Spirit is owned by all three members of the Trinity."

Other than proof positive of a flailing explanation, it brings in non-biblical concepts and implies that the Spirit of God is an abstract, impersonal substance in which multiple members "own" or dwell or in which multiple personalities participate.

The crux of the problem is that scripturally Christ abides in the believer and the scripture speaks of the "Father in you all", and the coming of the infilling of the Holy Spirit, the Trinitarians can't explain how all three persons of the Trinity abide in the believer. They obviously can't say the believer has three Spirits in them. Nor can they say that only the Holy Spirit abides in them, they are left with non-sensical explanations like "this Spirit is owned by all three members of the Trinity".

Biblically speaking the Spirit of God is the presence of God (Psalm 139), and according to Jesus the essence of God is Spirit (John 4:24). This is ABCs of theology.
 
The doctrine of the Trinity fails remarkably in regards to the theology of the Spirit of God. It is the elephant in the room that Trinitarians refuse to acknowledge as a problem. That their theory breaks down as an explanatory model here, is a huge red flag that there are fatal problems with the triune persons concept.

In a recent post https://forums.carm.org/threads/why-im-not-a-trinitarian.13037/page-5#post-1043412 a Trinitarian stated that "this Spirit is owned by all three members of the Trinity."

Other than proof positive of a flailing explanation, it brings in non-biblical concepts and implies that the Spirit of God is an abstract, impersonal substance in which multiple members "own" or dwell or in which multiple personalities participate.

The crux of the problem is that scripturally Christ abides in the believer and the scripture speaks of the "Father in you all", and the coming of the infilling of the Holy Spirit, the Trinitarians can't explain how all three persons of the Trinity abide in the believer. They obviously can't say the believer has three Spirits in them. Nor can they say that only the Holy Spirit abides in them, they are left with non-sensical explanations like "this Spirit is owned by all three members of the Trinity".

Biblically speaking the Spirit of God is the presence of God (Psalm 139), and according to Jesus the essence of God is Spirit (John 4:24). This is ABCs of theology.

They believe in THREE spirits in my experience.
 
They believe in THREE spirits in my experience.

I think the Trinitarian doctrine at that level of examination completely breaks down, so it is basically every trinitarian for himself as they stumble and say whatever is right in his or her own eyes. A good model of biblical theology should be consistent throughout but the Trinitarian explanations (or non-explanations) of the Spirit simply can't stand in regards to the Spirit.
 
I think the Trinitarian doctrine at that level of examination completely breaks down, so it is basically every trinitarian for himself as they stumble and say whatever is right in his or her own eyes. A good model of biblical theology should be consistent throughout but the Trinitarian explanations (or non-explanations) of the Spirit simply can't stand in regards to the Spirit.

Yeah, every trin on here believes something different.

In 2 Cor 3:17 it calls Christ the Spirit. Now some slightly more honest trins will admit it calls Christ the Spirit, but they try to argue that it doesn't mean the Holy Spirit. So they believe in at least two spirits.

Other trins, like JohnnyGuitar will just flat out refuse to admit that Christ is that Spirit.

Same with Gal 4:6; some trinitarian poster admits "The Spirit who cries Father Father" is Jesus, but JohnnyGuitar says it's referring to the third person of the trinity.

This is the trinity doctrine:

Revelation 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
 
The doctrine of the Trinity fails remarkably in regards to the theology of the Spirit of God. It is the elephant in the room that Trinitarians refuse to acknowledge as a problem. That their theory breaks down as an explanatory model here, is a huge red flag that there are fatal problems with the triune persons concept.

In a recent post https://forums.carm.org/threads/why-im-not-a-trinitarian.13037/page-5#post-1043412 a Trinitarian stated that "this Spirit is owned by all three members of the Trinity."

Other than proof positive of a flailing explanation, it brings in non-biblical concepts and implies that the Spirit of God is an abstract, impersonal substance in which multiple members "own" or dwell or in which multiple personalities participate.

The crux of the problem is that scripturally Christ abides in the believer and the scripture speaks of the "Father in you all", and the coming of the infilling of the Holy Spirit, the Trinitarians can't explain how all three persons of the Trinity abide in the believer. They obviously can't say the believer has three Spirits in them. Nor can they say that only the Holy Spirit abides in them, they are left with non-sensical explanations like "this Spirit is owned by all three members of the Trinity".

Biblically speaking the Spirit of God is the presence of God (Psalm 139), and according to Jesus the essence of God is Spirit (John 4:24). This is ABCs of theology.
God The Holy Spirit dwells in all believers.
 
As well as The Father and The Holy Spirit.
Johnny, can you go beyond the superficial in your explanation? DoctrinesofGraceBapt posts often as a Trinitarian about the Trinity and he stated "Spirit is owned by all three members of the Trinity". Do you believe this or do you believe in three Spirits?
 
The doctrine of the Trinity fails remarkably in regards to the theology of the Spirit of God. It is the elephant in the room that Trinitarians refuse to acknowledge as a problem. That their theory breaks down as an explanatory model here, is a huge red flag that there are fatal problems with the triune persons concept.

In a recent post https://forums.carm.org/threads/why-im-not-a-trinitarian.13037/page-5#post-1043412 a Trinitarian stated that "this Spirit is owned by all three members of the Trinity."

Other than proof positive of a flailing explanation, it brings in non-biblical concepts and implies that the Spirit of God is an abstract, impersonal substance in which multiple members "own" or dwell or in which multiple personalities participate.

The crux of the problem is that scripturally Christ abides in the believer and the scripture speaks of the "Father in you all", and the coming of the infilling of the Holy Spirit, the Trinitarians can't explain how all three persons of the Trinity abide in the believer. They obviously can't say the believer has three Spirits in them. Nor can they say that only the Holy Spirit abides in them, they are left with non-sensical explanations like "this Spirit is owned by all three members of the Trinity".

Biblically speaking the Spirit of God is the presence of God (Psalm 139), and according to Jesus the essence of God is Spirit (John 4:24). This is ABCs of theology.
Jesus said very clearly that God (the Father) is Spirit (singular) John 4:24. God is one Spirit. He also said that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit. Matthew 10:20. God also has a Person/soul (Isaiah 42:1,Jeremiah 6:8,32:41,Leviticus 26:11). Therefore God is two, soul and spirit without being more than one. Jesus' soul was begotten from the Father prior to His incarnation which is the orthodox doctrine, and unified with God by God's Holy Spirit. We see this union taking place in Isaiah 42:1. The linking factor between the two persons/souls of the Father and Son is the Holy Spirit which is Jesus' and the Father's Spirit. There is no fourth element in scripture that unifies them. The Apostles taught very clearly that the Holy Spirit is Jesus' Spirit and that is why He is able to enter the believer (Rev. 3:20). All three are distinct from each other all three operate simultaneously. And because they are all one Spirit we cannot have one without he other. That is the Biblical Trinity as it is taught in the scriptures. The best book on the subject I have found is "Understanding the Trinity from the Scriptures- It's all about God's love for you by H.D, Shively. It's on Amazon.
 
Johnny, can you go beyond the superficial in your explanation? DoctrinesofGraceBapt posts often as a Trinitarian about the Trinity and he stated "Spirit is owned by all three members of the Trinity". Do you believe this or do you believe in three Spirits?
NEITHER.
 
Jesus said very clearly that God (the Father) is Spirit (singular) John 4:24. God is one Spirit. He also said that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit. Matthew 10:20. God also has a Person/soul (Isaiah 42:1,Jeremiah 6:8,32:41,Leviticus 26:11). Therefore God is two, soul and spirit without being more than one. Jesus' soul was begotten from the Father prior to His incarnation which is the orthodox doctrine, and unified with God by God's Holy Spirit. We see this union taking place in Isaiah 42:1. The linking factor between the two persons/souls of the Father and Son is the Holy Spirit which is Jesus' and the Father's Spirit. There is no fourth element in scripture that unifies them. The Apostles taught very clearly that the Holy Spirit is Jesus' Spirit and that is why He is able to enter the believer (Rev. 3:20). All three are distinct from each other all three operate simultaneously. And because they are all one Spirit we cannot have one without he other. That is the Biblical Trinity as it is taught in the scriptures. The best book on the subject I have found is "Understanding the Trinity from the Scriptures- It's all about God's love for you by H.D, Shively. It's on Amazon.

Christ is the Spirit (2 Cor 3:17).
 
Jesus said very clearly that God (the Father) is Spirit (singular) John 4:24. God is one Spirit. He also said that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit. Matthew 10:20. God also has a Person/soul (Isaiah 42:1,Jeremiah 6:8,32:41,Leviticus 26:11). Therefore God is two, soul and spirit without being more than one. Jesus' soul was begotten from the Father prior to His incarnation which is the orthodox doctrine, and unified with God by God's Holy Spirit. We see this union taking place in Isaiah 42:1. The linking factor between the two persons/souls of the Father and Son is the Holy Spirit which is Jesus' and the Father's Spirit. There is no fourth element in scripture that unifies them. The Apostles taught very clearly that the Holy Spirit is Jesus' Spirit and that is why He is able to enter the believer (Rev. 3:20). All three are distinct from each other all three operate simultaneously. And because they are all one Spirit we cannot have one without he other. That is the Biblical Trinity as it is taught in the scriptures. The best book on the subject I have found is "Understanding the Trinity from the Scriptures- It's all about God's love for you by H.D, Shively. It's on Amazon.

Isaiah 42:1 is talking about the Messiah, and the Spirit in reference to the man Christ Jesus. God was manifested in the flesh, so Jesus is God by very nature and had no beginning as God. However, the incarnation, his manifestation in flesh had a definite beginning in time and space (Galatians 4:4).

Most mistakes in theology have to do with not accepting or understanding the authentic humanity of the Messiah and what that actually meant in relation to God, who is Spirit.

You say Jesus is God, but also know that since he is God he had no beginning as to his deity. God had no beginning and no one can, by definition become God.

There is a far simpler and Biblical accurate manner in which to understand the Spirit of God. As you say, God is Spirit. This is his essence. To experience the Spirit is to experience God (Psalm 139). The term "Holy Spirit" is simply another term for the Spirit of God. God's fundamental moral nature is Holiness, and his basic essence or nature is Spirit. Holy Spirit then is a term used primarily to identify the Spirit of God moving in and acting upon mankind, particularly born-again believers.

Distinctions and relationships between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all have to do with the humanity of Christ and how God's Spirit functions in relationship to humanity.
 
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