is the teaching of Calvinism the real offence of the Gospel?


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Nothing wrong with that ....

Of course that does not then mean we are going to agree.
Here is one of my Gospel Tracts for you to read...

Saw - by ReverendRV

Job 2:4 KJV
; And Satan answered the LORD, and said, “Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.”

What would you give to save your Life? Might you say, “My kingdom for a glass of water!”? No? Even if your Life depended on it?? ~ This is essentially what happened to Job. God blessed him and he became the richest man in the land; but not for long. God boasted of Job to Satan, so Satan attacked Job, taking everything away from him; including his children. Yet in all of this, Job didn’t curse God. God again boasted of Job to Satan and this is where Satan answered the LORD, and said, ‘Skin for skin, a man will give ALL he has to save his life!’ In saying this, Satan meant that the reason Job didn’t curse God is because he hadn’t attacked Job’s body. ~ The Jews say that ‘skin for skin’ means ‘member for member’; or body part for body part. The Devil meant that if a rock was thrown at our eye, we would give up our hand to save our eye. If something fell from above, we would wrap our arms around our head; we would not even spare our own body parts to save our lives! Wouldn't you agree we know this is true, because we learned about human instinct in our schools? So indeed, you know that you would stop at nothing to save your life…

We see Satan’s Thesis played out on the screen for us in the “Saw” movie franchise. A homicidal maniac devises deathtraps and puts people in them; but he gives them a choice. The deathtraps are designed to kill the person; unless they sacrifice their own body in time to escape. Over and over again, we see this Morality Play unfold. Some choose to live; but some choose to keep their body part and die. Your Sin is a part of you too; will you cut it off to escape, or will you hesitate and die? ~ The first deathtrap in all of history was devised by another homicidal maniac; Satan himself. The Serpent of old set a trap for Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. God graciously told Adam that eating of one tree in the garden would kill him, but Satan told them they would surely not die; and would become like God himself. They ate of that tree and began to die; dying they would die. By desiring to be like God, Adam broke the first Commandment; not to have any gods before the LORD. They deserved to go to Hell for eternity, but God sacrificed an innocent animal and took its skin, to be covering for Adam and Eve’s spiritual and physical nakedness. This act was symbolic of a once and future sacrifice that would cover the shame of our Sin…

We all are in Satan’s deathtrap, because like Adam, ‘we are dying, and we will die’. But there is no greater love than one man lay down his Life, that another may live; Jesus entered into the deathtrap and took the believers place! John the Baptist said that Jesus Christ was the Lamb of God who would take away the Sin of the World. We are Saved by the Grace of God, through Faith in the risen Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, apart for any Work we could do to earn it. Put your trust in Jesus and repent of your Sins, find a Bible believing Church and learn how to become his disciple. ~ Will you do what it takes to save your eternal Life?? Jesus authenticated Satan’s premise, “And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter Life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into Hell.” There is nothing that you have that you will not give up to save your Life. We do not know when we will die! If you were in a wreck today; like a reflex, there is nothing you wouldn’t give up; even your Atheism. Don’t wait and take a chance; when Death comes, you may hesitate and not confess Jesus Christ as your Lord…

1st John 1:9 KJV; If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness


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So what was your motive to start this Thread then?

I said that. I haven't seen a Calvinist ever say that here. In fact, I was discussing this with a Calvinist and they said that they didn't care if others are offended because Calvinism is offensive.


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I said that. I haven't seen a Calvinist ever say that here. In fact, I was discussing this with a Calvinist and they said that they didn't care if others are offended because Calvinism is offensive.

Yeah, think if you actually provided a direct (linked) quote (which CARM rules require) we would discover that your "quote" is incredibly inaccurate.


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The answer to the charge that Calvinism is offensive to the sinner, is answered by the Calvinist as "so what. The Gospel is offensive"......

Well. There is ONE HUGE problem with this. The REAL offense of the Gospel isn't Calvinism nor their teaching of the Elect. The REAL offense of the Gospel is Jesus Christ.

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

The real offence is Jesus Christ. Not Calvinism.

Which reminds me of how the Calvinist see themselves as being God's choice instead of Jesus Christ. Seems like there a central "theme" to Calvinism. The message of Jesus Christ being replaced by self.
I like how Peter puts it in his epistle and ties in determinism/predestination, chosen, appointed etc.....................

1 Peter 2
For in Scripture it says:

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,

“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,

“A stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.”
They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

hope this helps !!!