is the world as you see it really the only way things are?

SteveB

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Nothing but carefully reasoned explanations and evidence.
but you never do. You've offered not one "carefully reasoned explanation" or evidence.
You have, quite frequently, made unsupported statements, claiming that you have reasons to believe what you do regarding me, but not once have you actually provided a "carefully reasoned explanation" nor evidence.



Will you ever cease trying to pass off your absurd strawmanning as mere 'observations'?
When you actually provide "carefully reasoned explanation" and evidence, that are real..... I'll consider it, sure.
 

Nouveau

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but you never do. You've offered not one "carefully reasoned explanation" or evidence.
You have, quite frequently, made unsupported statements, claiming that you have reasons to believe what you do regarding me, but not once have you actually provided a "carefully reasoned explanation" nor evidence.

When you actually provide "carefully reasoned explanation" and evidence, that are real..... I'll consider it, sure.
Well, that's an obvious lie.

I gave carefully reasoned explanations here: https://forums.carm.org/threads/explaining-explanation.82/

I gave you supporting evidence proving my claim to have answered your fence question here: https://forums.carm.org/threads/ath...s-a-proven-deal-breaker.258/page-4#post-66704

So you've just been proven wrong again. Will you acknowledge this, or continue to lie about me?
 

SteveB

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Well, that's an obvious lie.

I gave carefully reasoned explanations here: https://forums.carm.org/threads/explaining-explanation.82/
And as I recall, I never found any interest in actually engaging in conversation on that op. Ah, I see.... you got rude, so I bowed out. October 11.... that's a long time ago now. Well. so much for explaining explanation.
https://forums.carm.org/threads/explaining-explanation.82/
I gave you supporting evidence proving my claim to have answered your fence question here: https://forums.carm.org/threads/ath...s-a-proven-deal-breaker.258/page-4#post-66704

So you've just been proven wrong again. Will you acknowledge this, or continue to lie about me?
but you haven't.
You just complain. Exactly like you did on the explaining explanation op.
This is why you're not an interesting person to talk to, and reduced yourself to constantly complaining.
 

Nouveau

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And as I recall, I never found any interest in actually engaging in conversation on that op. Ah, I see.... you got rude, so I bowed out. October 11.... that's a long time ago now. Well. so much for explaining explanation.
https://forums.carm.org/threads/explaining-explanation.82/

but you haven't.
You just complain. Exactly like you did on the explaining explanation op.
This is why you're not an interesting person to talk to, and reduced yourself to constantly complaining.
None of this BS is relevant to the fact that you just lied by claiming I don't provide explanations or evidence. I just gave you very clear examples of me providing both. Will you concede your error? Or will your ego and NPD again prevent you from following Jesus and doing the right thing?
 

SteveB

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None of this BS is relevant to the fact that you just lied by claiming I don't provide explanations or evidence. I just gave you very clear examples of me providing both. Will you concede your error? Or will your ego and NPD again prevent you from following Jesus and doing the right thing?
Of course not.
Because if it was, you're realize how deep into NPD you really are, and how desperately in need of outside help you are.

 

Nouveau

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Of course not.
Because if it was, you're realize how deep into NPD you really are, and how desperately in need of outside help you are.
📽️

And you just proved me right again by refusing to admit your mistake in claiming I don't provide explanations or evidence.
 

Electric Skeptic

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Nope..... Well..... actually.... in the mind of the atheist, you are right.
but in reality, it's not false at all.
No, in reality it is false. You constantly do it. There's an example in another thread where you claim I told you that your life didn't happen the way it did and that only me/atheists are correct.

I have never told you either of those things, showing that your claim is false.
You just did by telling me that's simply false.
My stating that something you said is "simply false" is not "an atheist saying that atheists alone are right", and it's beyond dishonest to claim that it is. It's me saying that in this particular instance, you are wrong. I'm sure even you can see the difference. Often enough you tell me (and others) that they are wrong on particular issues - is that "a 'Christian' saying that Christians alone are right"?

But it is an excellent example of you inventing things. I state that in one particular instance, you are wrong, and you claim that to be evidence that atheists say that "atheists alone are right".
Do you guys ever really think about what you're saying, and the plainly observable status you provide?
Well...since you are inventing things as shown in this post, the "plainly observable status" appears, instead, to be the "status SteveB can imagine, despite having no evidence for it".
 

SteveB

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No, in reality it is false. You constantly do it. There's an example in another thread where you claim I told you that your life didn't happen the way it did and that only me/atheists are correct.

I have never told you either of those things, showing that your claim is false.

My stating that something you said is "simply false" is not "an atheist saying that atheists alone are right", and it's beyond dishonest to claim that it is. It's me saying that in this particular instance, you are wrong. I'm sure even you can see the difference. Often enough you tell me (and others) that they are wrong on particular issues - is that "a 'Christian' saying that Christians alone are right"?

But it is an excellent example of you inventing things. I state that in one particular instance, you are wrong, and you claim that to be evidence that atheists say that "atheists alone are right".

Well...since you are inventing things as shown in this post, the "plainly observable status" appears, instead, to be the "status SteveB can imagine, despite having no evidence for it".
Sounds like you're getting desperate to be right.
You're going about it all wrong.

There's only one way to be right.

Turn to God from your sin and place your trust in Jesus.
You'll immediately go from dead to alive, from judgment due sin and condemnation for sin, to an adopted child of God, and at a state of Peace with God.
 

SteveB

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You say this whenever you are desperate to avoid admitting that you're wrong.


We can't do this without evidence, just as you couldn't do it without evidence either.
I'm still not the one chasing others around the forum and playing whack-a-mole, trolling, and desperate to be right.
 

Nouveau

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I'm still not the one chasing others around the forum and playing whack-a-mole, trolling, and desperate to be right.
It's not trolling to explain why we can't just place our trust in Jesus as you keep telling us to do. If you can't handle criticism then maybe a discussion forum is not the place for you.
 

SteveB

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It's not trolling to explain why we can't just place our trust in Jesus as you keep telling us to do. If you can't handle criticism then maybe a discussion forum is not the place for you.
It's not that difficult.

Believe what God has explicitly stated in his Word and follow Jesus.
 

Nouveau

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It's not that difficult.

Believe what God has explicitly stated in his Word and follow Jesus.
Again, we are not capable of just believing things without evidence.

You couldn't do it without evidence, so how are we supposed to?
 

Tiburon

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My "telling atheists what they think" are the observations I make of their statements.
So..... if you don't want to be told what you're thinking from someone else's perspective, you should simply stop talking.
I realize that doesn't make sense to you, but this is part of conversation.

Some people will preface their comments along these lines with----

Well, as I'm understanding what you're saying, I see your comments stating----- .................................................................

After 20 years, I've simply dropped that preface. Partly because I grew weary of people complaining my posts were too tedious to read.

So..... when I state---
you're just saying......

see that preface above included.

I do have to say.... I'm surprised you didn't understand that.
I understand perfectly. You often come back with "I see your comments stating' followed by a position that is a mile wide of their original statement. Usually more in line with what you want them to be saying. You then seem to be unable to accept a reframing of the original statement.
 

Komodo

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I'm still not the one chasing others around the forum and playing whack-a-mole, trolling, and desperate to be right.
Steve, what are the signs by which one can tell that somebody is "desperate to be right"?

Follow-up: assume for the moment that somebody has clearly, objectively shown himself to be "desperate to be right," but that the claim he is desperately insisting he's right about, is in fact true, and your rejection of that claim is therefore wrong. What should you do?
 
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SteveB

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Steve, what are the signs by which one can tell that somebody is "desperate to be right"?

Pretty much the conversations had by atheists here who keep saying we who follow Jesus are wrong.

Follow-up: assume for the moment that somebody has clearly, objectively shown himself to be "desperate to be right," but that the claim he is desperately insisting he's right about, is in fact true, and your rejection of that claim is therefore wrong. What should you do?
When I'm found to be wrong, about something which YHVH says he himself is right, then I turn to God, from my wrong, and place my trust in Jesus regarding that matter.
 

Komodo

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Pretty much the conversations had by atheists here who keep saying we who follow Jesus are wrong.
That can't be the answer to the question, "how do you know someone is desperate to be right," since you make that accusation when people challenge you about other matters also.

When I'm found to be wrong, about something which YHVH says he himself is right [. . .]
That wasn't my question. What if someone is "desperate to be right" (on some subject on which God has not spoken), but he happens to be right on that subject and you are wrong? Are you saying this is impossible? If not, what do you think you should do if it happened?
 
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