Is there anyone here who is pro-choice?

HillsboroMom

Active member
So what do you mean by "need"? How many abortions are performed each year because they are "needed"?
I would say a medical doctor who has taken the Hippocratic oath can define "need" according to the specifics of each individual case under his or her care. No two humans are alike, and I trust a doctor WAYYYYY more than I trust a congress person.
 

Temujin

Well-known member
So what do you mean by "need"? How many abortions are performed each year because they are "needed"?
If the woman is likely to be harmed more by continuing the pregnancy than by terminating it, and she wants an abortion to avoid that harm, then the abortion is needed.
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
If the woman is likely to be harmed more by continuing the pregnancy than by terminating it, and she wants an abortion to avoid that harm, then the abortion is needed.
Ok. How many abortions performed per year fall into that category? Any idea? I don't.
 

HillsboroMom

Active member
Ok. How many abortions performed per year fall into that category? Any idea? I don't.
All of them that are performed by a doctor. A doctor can't do something that would cause more harm than good.

A miscarriage would be an example of an abortion that is not performed by a doctor. In those cases, the abortion might be more harmful than continuing the pregnancy. But obviously you can't make that illegal.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
Nobody is 'pro-abortion'. That's a phantom of the right.
Every single abortion is performed and gives medical evidence of pro-abortion. No exceptions.

Of course people who say the aborted baby was a parasite are dishonest people.
Also, every single abortion procedure is performed after the mom has signed a CONSENT FORM. It spells out what the abortion is.

If you read a consent form you would know you are wrong, or not admit it.
Showing up at the abortion chambers is implied consent. Signing the form takes it to Informed consent pro-abortion. Legal constructs beyond your pay grade.
 

Electric Skeptic

Well-known member
Every single abortion is performed and gives medical evidence of pro-abortion. No exceptions.
Nobody is pro-abortion.
Of course people who say the aborted baby was a parasite are dishonest people.
People who say a fetus is a parasite are accurate people.
Also, every single abortion procedure is performed after the mom has signed a CONSENT FORM. It spells out what the abortion is.
Irrelevant.
If you read a consent form you would know you are wrong, or not admit it.
Irrelevant.
Showing up at the abortion chambers is implied consent.
Irrelevant.
Signing the form takes it to Informed consent pro-abortion.
False.
Legal constructs beyond your pay grade.
Irrelevant
 

Temujin

Well-known member
Every single abortion is performed and gives medical evidence of pro-abortion. No exceptions.

Of course people who say the aborted baby was a parasite are dishonest people.
Also, every single abortion procedure is performed after the mom has signed a CONSENT FORM. It spells out what the abortion is.

If you read a consent form you would know you are wrong, or not admit it.
Showing up at the abortion chambers is implied consent. Signing the form takes it to Informed consent pro-abortion. Legal constructs beyond your pay grade.
Abortion without consent, now that would be an evil thing. Do they call miscarriage an act of God?

Informed consent to a legal procedure, that's a good thing. Not great to have the need of an abortion, but good to be informed before giving consent. That's how professional, caring people work. Not by spluttering bile across the Internet in an ill-informed outburst.
 

HillsboroMom

Active member
Every single abortion is performed and gives medical evidence of pro-abortion. No exceptions.

Of course people who say the aborted baby was a parasite are dishonest people.
Also, every single abortion procedure is performed after the mom has signed a CONSENT FORM. It spells out what the abortion is.

If you read a consent form you would know you are wrong, or not admit it.
Showing up at the abortion chambers is implied consent. Signing the form takes it to Informed consent pro-abortion. Legal constructs beyond your pay grade.
Authentic Nouveau: Are you pro-smoking? Seriously, I want to know.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
The only time any woman gets an abortion in the 3rd trimester -- the only time this EVER happens -- is if there is a problem with the baby (i.e. it is already dead, or so horrifically deformed that it will not survive). Usually in these cases a woman will tragically miscarry, but sometimes -- about 5% of the time -- that does not happen, and if doctors don't perform an abortion, the woman will go into sepsis and die a horrific, agonizing death.
You show us you have not a clue
1 You don't know the difference between D&C and D&E Why NOT?
2 Your claim of going into sepsis is false. You must like dishonest source. Bad attitude toward medicine
3 Even Catholic Hospitals do D&C's when scheduled. They won't do abortions. Why don't you know that?
4 If a baby dies in utero, the mom goes into contractions in a few days maybe more than a week. The reason you don't mention that is IT is not a pro-abortion talking point. It is a natural medical fact.

How many of these deaths have you seen?

a How many abortions have you done?
b How many C-sections have you done?
1 Watched
2 Assisted
c How many deliveries?
d How many botched abortions have you seen go into complications and the abortuary had to get an ambulance to haul Mom to ER?
e Your screed in it's botched entirety convinces me that you do NOT have American Board Certified OB docs for sources.

I have had my gloved (size 7 1/2) hands on a real live baby still in the uterus many times. Your propaganda has been dumped here many times by other pro-abortion apologists.
A jailer and a fry cook both made the claim about a miscarriage baby death being followed by the mothers death.

Moms deserve truth.
By the way Tiller the Killer was famous for 3rd trimester abortions. He has split the gates of hell.
He used a quack named Ann Neuhaus' whose license has been revoked several times. She drafted mental health "consults" to justify late 3rd term abortions. Prove your claim false about all of them being baby deformity or worse medical issues. As a quack she could put her consult on the chart and not have actually met the patient. Rubber stamp.



"Mental health consults" like the single mom can't go to the disco with friends because she has mommy duty taking care of a baby.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
My charitability is mainly from right to preservation in that, when a life is threatened, the life being threatened takes precedence over the life of the individual putting the former in jeopardy; basically self-defence. The mother could choose not to save herself, but the mother's life takes precedence. If the mother's wishes aren't known, the default should be to preserve the mother's life. Also, the mother's right to life in a situation of danger takes precedence over and rights of conscious.
You are blocked from comment on baby right to life and safety? Why

Our Yacht Club neighbor got married and mom got pregnant. She got brain cancer a couple of months later. Declined radiation and chemo which would damage her boy. He was born healthy and she died of cancer. what a handsome and healthy young man.

Abortion is selfish
Abortion is driven by expediency
Abortion is the dark element in humanity

Conscious? Neurological test?
 

Electric Skeptic

Well-known member
You are blocked from comment on baby right to life and safety? Why

Our Yacht Club neighbor got married and mom got pregnant. She got brain cancer a couple of months later. Declined radiation and chemo which would damage her boy. He was born healthy and she died of cancer. what a handsome and healthy young man.
You've never been near a Yacht club except, possibly as a janitor.
 

Temujin

Well-known member
You show us you have not a clue
1 You don't know the difference between D&C and D&E Why NOT?
2 Your claim of going into sepsis is false. You must like dishonest source. Bad attitude toward medicine
3 Even Catholic Hospitals do D&C's when scheduled. They won't do abortions. Why don't you know that?
4 If a baby dies in utero, the mom goes into contractions in a few days maybe more than a week. The reason you don't mention that is IT is not a pro-abortion talking point. It is a natural medical fact.

How many of these deaths have you seen?

a How many abortions have you done?
b How many C-sections have you done?
1 Watched
2 Assisted
c How many deliveries?
d How many botched abortions have you seen go into complications and the abortuary had to get an ambulance to haul Mom to ER?
e Your screed in it's botched entirety convinces me that you do NOT have American Board Certified OB docs for sources.

I have had my gloved (size 7 1/2) hands on a real live baby still in the uterus many times. Your propaganda has been dumped here many times by other pro-abortion apologists.
A jailer and a fry cook both made the claim about a miscarriage baby death being followed by the mothers death.

Moms deserve truth.
By the way Tiller the Killer was famous for 3rd trimester abortions. He has split the gates of hell.
He used a quack named Ann Neuhaus' whose license has been revoked several times. She drafted mental health "consults" to justify late 3rd term abortions. Prove your claim false about all of them being baby deformity or worse medical issues. As a quack she could put her consult on the chart and not have actually met the patient. Rubber stamp.



"Mental health consults" like the single mom can't go to the disco with friends because she has mommy duty taking care of a baby.
You know nothing about medicine and have never performed any medical procedure above putting on a band aid.

More important than your personal fantasies are your appallingly ignorant distortions and falsehoods. Women die because they are refused abortions. Complications in the final trimester can be fatal if interventions including abortion are not carried out.

It is easy enough to regulate late term abortion, but the principles are clear.

If the foetus is dead, it should be removed as quickly as possible.
If the foetus is so malformed that it will not survive being born, it should be removed as quickly as possible.
If the mother's health is endangered, the foetus should be removed as soon as possible.

All with the express consent of the mother of course.

Your faux medical braggadiccio also needs to be removed as soon as possible. On this subject, your filthy fantasies have the capacity to cause real distress. If implemented they would cost lives, as they have already cost lives.
 

Mr Laurier

Well-known member
You know nothing about medicine and have never performed any medical procedure above putting on a band aid.

More important than your personal fantasies are your appallingly ignorant distortions and falsehoods. Women die because they are refused abortions. Complications in the final trimester can be fatal if interventions including abortion are not carried out.

It is easy enough to regulate late term abortion, but the principles are clear.

If the foetus is dead, it should be removed as quickly as possible.
If the foetus is so malformed that it will not survive being born, it should be removed as quickly as possible.
If the mother's health is endangered, the foetus should be removed as soon as possible.

All with the express consent of the mother of course.

Your faux medical braggadiccio also needs to be removed as soon as possible. On this subject, your filthy fantasies have the capacity to cause real distress. If implemented they would cost lives, as they have already cost lives.
Seconded.
When religious loons lie, other loons believe them. And this leads to increased ignorance.
 
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