HillsboroMom
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I wouldn't think so, but I thought I'd ask.
I wouldn't think so, but I thought I'd ask.
I'm not.I suppose I should have said, "Is anyone here 'pro-abortion.'"
I suppose I should have said, "Is anyone here 'pro-abortion.'"
I am glad to hear that you support choice even though you are anti-abortion.
I am in the same boat, and I suspect we agree on more than we disagree.
I'm pro-choice, though. For me, that means on demand in the first trimester, I'm not sure how to handle second trimester abortions, and I can't see many legitimate/justifiable reasons to get one in the third.
I don't disagree with any of this. For me, the blob of cells gradually becomes a human being over the course of 9 months, such that any discomfort I have with abortion increases as gestation progresses. As a guy, I'd never assert that abortion should be illegal, but I have a difficult time being charitable to the idea of third-term "contraception" (which is extremely rare).I'm okay with late-term abortions when it's clear the mother's life is in danger. I tend to treat 2nd Trimesters as the foetus could be a person in light of the Sorites Paradox and prefer to err on the side of caution.
, but I have a difficult time being charitable to the idea of third-term "contraception" (which is extremely rare).
ps. kudos for the logic reference. I knew of it informally, but did not know the name...
Nobody is 'pro-abortion'. That's a phantom of the right.I suppose I should have said, "Is anyone here 'pro-abortion.'"
Nobody is 'pro-abortion'. That's a phantom of the right.
Most pro-choicers are, like me, pro-choice and anti-abortion.
We wish nobody was ever in a position where they felt the needed to choose abortion but realise that it happens. And when it happens, the decision on what to do should be nobody's but the woman's.
That's right. Abortion is sometimes the least bad option when none of the available choices are good. On the other hand, very early abortion, easily obtained, delivered chemically, at home, is effectively a contraceptive option, which while not ideal, is no big deal either. In Europe a widely used contraceptive is the coil, which is effectively an abortificant, in that it prevents the fertilised egg from implanting. As such it would fall under the definition of baby-murderer much abused here, but I would definitely say that I am pro its use. It is safe, reliable and non-intrusive.In fairness, I have a friend who sees abortion like any other medical procedure. She says, "we don't say 'I'm pro-choice but anti-appendectomy. If someone needs their appendix removed, they should have the choice to do it, but it's something that shouldn't happen." In other words, we shouldn't see abortion as any more tragic than someone having their appendix removed.
Perhaps she's not "pro-abortion," but she's certainly not "anti-abortion." Right?
I would agree. And I would suggest that her position is the minority among pro-choicers.In fairness, I have a friend who sees abortion like any other medical procedure. She says, "we don't say 'I'm pro-choice but anti-appendectomy. If someone needs their appendix removed, they should have the choice to do it, but it's something that shouldn't happen." In other words, we shouldn't see abortion as any more tragic than someone having their appendix removed.
Perhaps she's not "pro-abortion," but she's certainly not "anti-abortion." Right?
For the record, I once mischaracterized your position here as that of a typical CRAM Christian fundamentalist. It was based on a few things you'd said, and I was being dismissive. While I'm positive that you and I disagree fundamentally on a few things (and I'm sure they'll reappear in the future), for what it's worth, I'll do my best to not mischaracterize your position again.My positions can get really nuanced, so it helps to know these things .
For the record, I once mischaracterized your position here as that of a typical CRAM Christian fundamentalist. It was based on a few things you'd said, and I was being dismissive.
Thanks.While I'm positive that you and I disagree fundamentally on a few things (and I'm sure they'll reappear in the future), for what it's worth, I'll do my best to not mischaracterize your position again.
An appendix will never progress to be a human being so it's not the same at all.In fairness, I have a friend who sees abortion like any other medical procedure. She says, "we don't say 'I'm pro-choice but anti-appendectomy. If someone needs their appendix removed, they should have the choice to do it, but it's something that shouldn't happen." In other words, we shouldn't see abortion as any more tragic than someone having their appendix removed.
Perhaps she's not "pro-abortion," but she's certainly not "anti-abortion." Right?
Nobody is pro-abortion. Nobody is pro-apendectomy either.I suppose I should have said, "Is anyone here 'pro-abortion.'"
I am glad to hear that you support choice even though you are anti-abortion. I am in the same boat, and I suspect we agree on more than we disagree.
So what do you mean by "need"? How many abortions are performed each year because they are "needed"?Nobody is pro-abortion. Nobody is pro-apendectomy either.
But if you need an abortion, you should be allowed to have one.
Not yet. But I'm not 100% sure that scientists won't be able to do that at some point in the future.An appendix will never progress to be a human being so it's not the same at all.
Medicaly required to prevent the mother from dying of septic shock, or internal hemorage, or any other fatal consequence of a failed pregnancy, or being too young to carry pregnancy to term.So what do you mean by "need"? How many abortions are performed each year because they are "needed"?
A fetus doesn't need a scientist to grow into a baby.Not yet. But I'm not 100% sure that scientists won't be able to do that at some point in the future.