Is Voodoo Practiced in the Vatican?

balshan

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Ancient and modern Jews still pray for the dead - that's not uniquely pagan - and when we pray to saints, they are alive with God and interceding for us (again, I'm not sure how that's pagan). What goddess? Catholics only believe in one God. How is the inclusion of Greek philosophy pagan? The doctrine of the Trinity is understood through Greek philosophy and the NT is in Greek (a pagan language?). Doesn't all truth come from God, or does it have to be Jewish truth? We can talk about the Jesuits if you wish, but one order of the Catholic Church is different from the entire Catholic Church (where the claim is being made).

Okay. But your claim is that the Catholic Church is syncrenistic, not that some quasi-Catholics are also following another religion.

The Amazon synod didn't worship a pagan goddess. Again, please show me evidence.

Lots of claims are being made in a very general fashion without any real hard evidence. If what you're saying is so obviously true, we should have statements by popes or photos (or some kind of visual evidence) of them syncretising and worship/practicing paganism.
They pray for the dead not TO the dead major difference. Of course you ignore how your institution is synrenistic, no surprise there.
 

balshan

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I'm sorry but you're just wrong. If you want to know what gods someone accepts, you have to ask them or listen to them, you can't infer that from someone praying in the presence of someone else. If your Muslim friend met you and said, "Can we say a short prayer together for my sick daughter," if you both said, "God, take care of her," do you think that would mean that you accept everything the Qu'ran reveals about the Muslim God? I don't think so.
I'm sorry you are just wrong, plain wrong. If you pray alongside, you are praying to and with others. You have their gods before you and therefore you are praying to them. God said have no OTHER gods before me. Praying alongside means other gods are before HIM.
 

RickyJ

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Of course it is when you pray alongside you are accepting who they pray to. You are saying we are the same, no difference between who you are praying to. There is centuries of evidence.

I for one don't have any problem with the Catholic Church praying alongside, or with other religions.
 

RayneBeau

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I for one don't have any problem with the Catholic Church praying alongside, or with other religions.
And that's exactly how Satan wants you to feel - he has done his job.
No, I didn't know that.
Obviously there is a whole lot you don't know, starting with my questions to you. Your feigned ignorance of the well documents actions of your pope, does not change what your Roman Catholic Pope JP II did. You can answer my questions about the Popes actions, but you choose to perform your own non-persuasive diversionary rendition of the Roman Catholic Hokey Pokey song and dance instead, and we all know why. Want to try again? In reference to my OP statement, the questions are: Is this what JP II's supposed predecessor Peter would have done? What about Jesus - how did that honor Him?

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jonathan_hili

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2 COR 6:

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Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
And that's evidence of...?
 

jonathan_hili

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There are scores of examples of this that have been produced here in this CARM forum over the years, which have accurately revealed that a mixture of paganism and Christianity produced the Roman Catholic Church. What the RCC has always done is to "suppress the truth in unrighteousness" so they are without excuse for their pagan beliefs and actions, and are guilty of deception.
jonathan, it's obvious that in your heart of hearts you do know God (even if it be in condemnation), and you are persuaded by His revelations of Himself. But now you are saying anything you can to keep truths from sight in this thread, and to keep from dealing honestly with your Maker and Judge, as well as with the posters and lurkers here on CARM. You try rationalization and any number of intellectual games indoctrinated by the Roman Catholic Church, trying to convince yourself and others, that the subject of this thread (as well as many others) is not to be believed. You really work hard at habitually deceiving yourself (perhaps unconsciously), and others as well, which seems to be your goal.
Please give me one or two we can discuss where the Catholic Church syncretises Christian beliefs with other religions.
 

jonathan_hili

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I'm sorry you are just wrong, plain wrong. If you pray alongside, you are praying to and with others. You have their gods before you and therefore you are praying to them. God said have no OTHER gods before me. Praying alongside means other gods are before HIM.
I disagree. I don't see how that follows at all. If you pray, you are praying to the god you intend to pray to.
 

jonathan_hili

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And that's exactly how Satan wants you to feel - he has done his job.

Obviously there is a whole lot you don't know, starting with my questions to you. Your feigned ignorance of the well documents actions of your pope, does not change what your Roman Catholic Pope JP II did. You can answer my questions about the Popes actions, but you choose to perform your own non-persuasive diversionary rendition of the Roman Catholic Hokey Pokey song and dance instead, and we all know why. Want to try again? In reference to my OP statement, the questions are: Is this what JP II's supposed predecessor Peter would have done? What about Jesus - how did that honor Him?

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I'm merely asking for evidence to substantiate accusations. The claim is made that the Catholic Church syncretises paganism and other religious beliefs with Christian ones. I've yet to see anybody justify the claim with evidence from Church sources.
 

balshan

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How is praying to people who have died but are alive with God syncretising?
Because you are misusing the alive in Christ, they are still very much dead. I am still waiting name one apostle who prayed to Mary after she dies? You don't even have one reference to that event occurring because we are not meant to communicate with the dead, prayer is a form of communicating.

It is from other religions that the idea of praying to the dead comes from other religions. They also believe the dead aren't dead that is why they were buried with things for the after life. So syncretising is their in your prayers to the dead.
 

RayneBeau

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I'm merely asking for evidence to substantiate accusations. The claim is made that the Catholic Church syncretises paganism and other religious beliefs with Christian ones. I've yet to see anybody justify the claim with evidence from Church sources.
No, no, no. Your pouting will get you nowhere. You aren't "merely asking for evidence." What you are doing is slyly trying to dodge the questions asked of you. You have been given "evidence" all along. The requested information was already given to you in the OP and other following posts. We all see right through all your vain efforts at refraining from directly answering the questions asked of you. Your evasion attempts are old and boring - give it up.
If you need help in answering the questions asked of you already, try humbling yourself and look into the face of Jesus Christ and ask Him to give you the "evidence" you so critically desire regarding the behavior of the appointed man of the Roman Catholic Church who is supposedly chosen by the Holy Spirit and elected to be the living representative of "Jesus Christ on earth." Then, get back with us with the answers to the questions we've asked you in this thread.
 

jonathan_hili

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It is from other religions that the idea of praying to the dead comes from other religions.
Okay, which religions? And can you demonstrate the causal connection between those religions and Catholicism?
They also believe the dead aren't dead that is why they were buried with things for the after life. So syncretising is their in your prayers to the dead.
Again, which religions? Judaism didn't believe the dead were dead either. Why would Jesus talk about Lazarus going to the bosom of Abraham if Abraham was dead? By dead, do you mean unconscious/non-existent?
 

jonathan_hili

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No, no, no. Your pouting will get you nowhere. You aren't "merely asking for evidence." What you are doing is slyly trying to dodge the questions asked of you. You have been given "evidence" all along. The requested information was already given to you in the OP and other following posts. We all see right through all your vain efforts at refraining from directly answering the questions asked of you. Your evasion attempts are old and boring - give it up.
If you need help in answering the questions asked of you already, try humbling yourself and look into the face of Jesus Christ and ask Him to give you the "evidence" you so critically desire regarding the behavior of the appointed man of the Roman Catholic Church who is supposedly chosen by the Holy Spirit and elected to be the living representative of "Jesus Christ on earth." Then, get back with us with the answers to the questions we've asked you in this thread.
It wasn't given by the OP. You haven't provided any trustworthy evidence to support your claim. I did ask a couple of times for evidence about the claim of voodoo going on in the Vatican and all I was given was a reference to a book by two sedevacantists.
 
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