Israel's role in the Bible and the world

Yahweh will increase

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FYI the ones saved RIGHT Now are a Part of the One New Man in Ephesians ( Both Jew & Gentile together as that one new man - the Bride of Christ )! They will get Caught Up ( Raptured ) in 1 Thess.4:17 before the MOL ( AC ) in 2 Thess.2:1-8 reveals himself as he kicks off Daniels final 7 years by confirming the covenant with many ( because they are the ones that the Holy Spirit WORKS Through to keep evil in check till they get TAKEN { Caught Up } out of the MOL ( AC ) way ! Then at the END of that 7 ( At Jesus Post Trib. return to REIGN for 1000 Years ) " All Israel will be saved " ( the survivors of Zech.14:16 ) that will go to Jerusalem each year ( of those 1000 years in Rev.20:4-6 ) to Worship the returned King ( the resurrected Christ { Acts 1:11 in conjunction with Rev.19:11-21 & 20:1-6 } in His Supernatural Flesh & Bone resurrection body - Luke 24:39 ) in person! Case closed on your Twisted ( 2 Peter ) view! Those posted scriptures rebuke your say so as per 2 Tim.3:16! Civic and myself are Spot on concerning those posted scriptures BEFORE you add your Twist to them!
All who will be saved in this age and right up until the return of Christ are part of the one new man of Ephesian both Jew and Gentile and this is also the Olive Tree of Spiritual Israel that Paul is speaking of in Romans 11:16-36 and also the commonwealth of Israel as per his words in Ephesians 2:11-22.

There is no separation any longer between the Jew and the Gentile in God's kingdom and never will be ever again either, you are being deceived and therefore have also become a deceiver yourself likewise and you better get that straightened out right now while you still have the chance because the time is short.

There is no such thing as a pre trib rapture either and Paul very clearly revealed this in 1 Corinthians 15:22-26 and 51-58, for there is only one future resurrection and rapture and he called this "those who belong to Christ at his coming", for "Christ and the first fruits have already been resurrected and are past tense as per Matthew 27:51-53.

As far as your corrupt doctrine of another literal 1000 year kingdom for the Jews extra to this age as per your misinterpretation of Revelation 20 goes, this is also false.

For in Luke 17:20 when asked of the Jews inquired of Jesus concerning when their promised Kingdom would come, Jesus very clearly told them that there would be no visible big event or signs that could be seen with the eyes concerning the coming of the Kingdom but that the Kingdom was already in their midst right then at his first coming.

You better get ahold of that Rod.ney, for in Luke 17:20 the Jews were asking about their Kingdom that was promised to them by God and Jesus told them that it had already come and was in their midst even then.


Your false teachers try to get around this by saying that God put it on hold for the Jews because the majority didn't believe yet and that is rubbish, for God never molly coddles disobedience in men and women ever.

Therefore the Kingdom of God began at the first coming of Jesus and now he is reigning from God's throne in heaven until it is brought into completion and perfection with all God's enemies being put under the feet of Jesus completely and permanently and just as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 1:15:22-26 and 51-58.

Therefore when he comes in the clouds and all eyes see him, this will be the end when he puts all enemies under his feet including the last enemy which is death and Paul very clearly calls this the end when he shall deliver up the Kingdom unto God even the Father when he shall have put down all authority, rule and power.

There will be no more mortality on this earth when Jesus finally comes and destroys all forces of sin and disobedience and puts them under his feet and then resurrects and raptures his church dude, for after this and just like 2 Peter 3:10-12 reveals, this old heaven and earth will pass away by fire and with a great noise.

Therefore there will be no more earth stained by sin to have your literal 1000 extra to this age kingdom for mortal Jews dude, it is simply that easy to refute.


For Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 tells us how the day of the Lord as a thief in the night will begin and Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-12 reveals how the same day of the Lord as a thief in the night will end and there will be no peace and safety 1000 year kingdom for the Jews in between it because it will be too late for them if they missed the kingdom in their continued disobedience before he comes.

When both Paul and Peter used that term "thief in the night" to speak of The Day of the Lord, as per 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, it is referring to Jesus' own words about his coming, for he was the first to use this terminology of "a thief in the night" for his return.

Therefore in context with all that is written about "The Day of the Lord as a thief in the night", and within the whole of the NT, it refers to the end of mortality on this earth and also the end of this old heaven and earth as well.
 

rod.ney

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All who will be saved in this age and right up until the return of Christ are part of the one new man of Ephesian both Jew and Gentile and this is also the Olive Tree of Spiritual Israel that Paul is speaking of in Romans 11:16-36 and also the commonwealth of Israel as per his words in Ephesians 2:11-22.

There is no separation any longer between the Jew and the Gentile in God's kingdom and never will be ever again either, you are being deceived and therefore have also become a deceiver yourself likewise and you better get that straightened out right now while you still have the chance because the time is short.

There is no such thing as a pre trib rapture either and Paul very clearly revealed this in 1 Corinthians 15:22-26 and 51-58, for there is only one future resurrection and rapture and he called this "those who belong to Christ at his coming", for "Christ and the first fruits have already been resurrected and are past tense as per Matthew 27:51-53.

As far as your corrupt doctrine of another literal 1000 year kingdom for the Jews extra to this age as per your misinterpretation of Revelation 20 goes, this is also false.

For in Luke 17:20 when asked of the Jews inquired of Jesus concerning when their promised Kingdom would come, Jesus very clearly told them that there would be no visible big event or signs that could be seen with the eyes concerning the coming of the Kingdom but that the Kingdom was already in their midst right then at his first coming.

You better get ahold of that Rod.ney, for in Luke 17:20 the Jews were asking about their Kingdom that was promised to them by God and Jesus told them that it had already come and was in their midst even then.


Your false teachers try to get around this by saying that God put it on hold for the Jews because the majority didn't believe yet and that is rubbish, for God never molly coddles disobedience in men and women ever.

Therefore the Kingdom of God began at the first coming of Jesus and now he is reigning from God's throne in heaven until it is brought into completion and perfection with all God's enemies being put under the feet of Jesus completely and permanently and just as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 1:15:22-26 and 51-58.

Therefore when he comes in the clouds and all eyes see him, this will be the end when he puts all enemies under his feet including the last enemy which is death and Paul very clearly calls this the end when he shall deliver up the Kingdom unto God even the Father when he shall have put down all authority, rule and power.

There will be no more mortality on this earth when Jesus finally comes and destroys all forces of sin and disobedience and puts them under his feet and then resurrects and raptures his church dude, for after this and just like 2 Peter 3:10-12 reveals, this old heaven and earth will pass away by fire and with a great noise.

Therefore there will be no more earth stained by sin to have your literal 1000 extra to this age kingdom for mortal Jews dude, it is simply that easy to refute.


For Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 tells us how the day of the Lord as a thief in the night will begin and Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-12 reveals how the same day of the Lord as a thief in the night will end and there will be no peace and safety 1000 year kingdom for the Jews in between it because it will be too late for them if they missed the kingdom in their continued disobedience before he comes.

When both Paul and Peter used that term "thief in the night" to speak of The Day of the Lord, as per 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, it is referring to Jesus' own words about his coming, for he was the first to use this terminology of "a thief in the night" for his return.

Therefore in context with all that is written about "The Day of the Lord as a thief in the night", and within the whole of the NT, it refers to the end of mortality on this earth and also the end of this old heaven and earth as well.
100% Twisted again ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) ! He will in Fact literally REIGN for 1000 years on this old Sin stained earth ( Rev.20:4-6 ) in His supernatural Flesh & bone resurrection body, before He creates the New one with no seas in Rev.21:1 ( by melting & burning the stain of Sin out of it and then reforming that molten mass into the new one as per 2 Peter 3:10-13 )! Thus like I correctly stated the one new man ( Bride of Christ ) goes to the Father ( the Caught Up of 1 Thess.4:14-17 ) BEFORE Daniel 9:27 starts when the MOL ( AC ) of 2 Thess.2:1-8 confirms the covenant with many for 1 seven ( 7 Years )! Thus the left behind ones are NEVER the one new man, they become Trib. saints when the convert during those final 7 years of Daniel! Case closed on your Twisted view!
 

Yahweh will increase

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100% Twisted again ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) ! He will in Fact literally REIGN for 1000 years on this old Sin stained earth ( Rev.20:4-6 ) in His supernatural Flesh & bone resurrection body, before He creates the New one with no seas in Rev.21:1 ( by melting & burning the stain of Sin out of it and then reforming that molten mass into the new one as per 2 Peter 3:10-13 )! Thus like I correctly stated the one new man ( Bride of Christ ) goes to the Father ( the Caught Up of 1 Thess.4:14-17 ) BEFORE Daniel 9:27 starts when the MOL ( AC ) of 2 Thess.2:1-8 confirms the covenant with many for 1 seven ( 7 Years )! Thus the left behind ones are NEVER the one new man, they become Trib. saints when the convert during those final 7 years of Daniel! Case closed on your Twisted view!
Well then, by all means make my day and keep on keeping on with your false doctrine like I already knew you would anyhow dude.

For I view hardline false teachers like you as if they were the Devil himself and when he perishes, there will be no sympathy from me for his demise at all and neither will there be for any of his stubborn hardline messengers of his false doctrines either.

You are already finished Rod.ney, you just don't know it yet but you will soon enough.
 
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rod.ney

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Well then, by all means make my day and keep on keeping on with your false doctrine like I already knew you would anyhow dude.

For I view hardline false teachers like you as if they were the Devil himself and when he perishes, there will be no sympathy from me for his demise at all and neither will there be for any of his stubborn hardline messengers of his false doctrines either.

You are already finished Rod.ney, you just don't know it yet but you will soon enough.
No it is NOT false Doctrine! It is CLEARLY what the scriptures tell us before you add your Twist ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) to them! Thus like I have correctly stated before, Both Civic and myself are SPOT on! Case closed!
 

rod.ney

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ROLF! Good Bye Rod.ney!
Yes the losers always choose to leave instead of choosing to accept the truth! It is human nature to NOT want to be WRONG! So good Bye and ROLF yourself! Civic and myself choose to accept the scriptures AS IS without your Twist ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) FORCED upon them to fit your agenda ( Wrong views & Opinions )! Case closed!
 
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