It's Not The Protestors' Fault

Electric Skeptic

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Don't blame the people storming the capital. From their point of view, they are acting to prevent the fraudulent stealing of an election. That's the sort of thing that starts civil wars, much less riots. If liberals were in the same boat, they'd do the same.

The blame should fall directly on Trump and every politician who supported his idiotic, baseless campaign of discontent and its unsupported claims of election fraud. All should be prosecuted for treason.
 

Bob Carabbio

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Don't blame the people storming the capital. From their point of view, they are acting to prevent the fraudulent stealing of an election. That's the sort of thing that starts civil wars, much less riots. If liberals were in the same boat, they'd do the same.

The blame should fall directly on Trump and every politician who supported his idiotic, baseless campaign of discontent and its unsupported claims of election fraud. All should be prosecuted for treason.
They will be - when PIGS fly. It'll be interesting to see what the MEDIA can blow this up into!!!! It's what they PRAY FOR, after all.
 

Whateverman

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Don't blame the people storming the capital. From their point of view, they are acting to prevent the fraudulent stealing of an election. That's the sort of thing that starts civil wars, much less riots. If liberals were in the same boat, they'd do the same.

The blame should fall directly on Trump and every politician who supported his idiotic, baseless campaign of discontent and its unsupported claims of election fraud. All should be prosecuted for treason.
I dunno. I think this is exactly what Drumpf supporters have been wanting to do since he rode down that escalator in 2015. They wanted to tear American institutions down, and he was their weapon of choice.

I know about the adage of attributing to stupidity rather than malice - but I'm positive malice is what's spawned the current white house administration...
 

Faithoverbelief

Active member
I dunno. I think this is exactly what Drumpf supporters have been wanting to do since he rode down that escalator in 2015. They wanted to tear American institutions down, and he was their weapon of choice.

I know about the adage of attributing to stupidity rather than malice - but I'm positive malice is what's spawned the current white house administration...
Except the Confederate ones 😉
 

Furion

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Don't blame the people storming the capital. From their point of view, they are acting to prevent the fraudulent stealing of an election. That's the sort of thing that starts civil wars, much less riots. If liberals were in the same boat, they'd do the same.

The blame should fall directly on Trump and every politician who supported his idiotic, baseless campaign of discontent and its unsupported claims of election fraud. All should be prosecuted for treason.
No. Blame the liberals who committed voter fraud.
 

Whateverman

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No. Blame the liberals who committed voter fraud.
Find us a liberal who did this, Jimmy, and he'll be prosecuted.

Lacking that, go put your teeth in; the orderly's about to bring your supper. Meatloaf, mashed peas and strawberry Jell-O!
 

vibise

Active member
They will be - when PIGS fly. It'll be interesting to see what the MEDIA can blow this up into!!!! It's what they PRAY FOR, after all.
The media did not stage this assault on Congress. Trump supporters did.
Trump supporters who have been told lies about the election being stolen from poor Trump.
 

Whateverman

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The common people having doubts about the integrity of the election - if they're patriots - will let the officials handle the investigation and prosecution of any wrongdoing. At this point in time, those officials HAVE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS. They've ruled that there was no substantive voter that would have changed the election results.

Just because the common man isn't satisfied with this isn't a justification for violence or storming the capital and preventing the government from functioning. Just because he isn't satisfied with the answers he got doesn't mean his concerns are justified.

Democrats and Republicans around the ****ing country have explained - countless times - that the elections were legitimate and accurate. No amount of doubt justifies ignoring this - and yet here you are, pretending that being unhappy with an election's results is somehow the fault of people other than the ones rioting around the capitol building.

Sedition. Insurrection. This is what you're justifying.
 

J regia

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No. Blame the liberals who committed voter fraud.
Should trump be removed immediately and replaced by Pence for his unsuccessful coup d'etat?
And will he take responsibility for the death of his fascist member when she stormed the Capital building?

In another time and place he would have been drawn and quartered and his genitals shoved down his throat, and why Bonny Prince Charlie is buried in St Peter's Basilica and not Westminster Abbey.
 

Bob Carabbio

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The media did not stage this assault on Congress. Trump supporters did.
Trump supporters who have been told lies about the election being stolen from poor Trump.
Maybe, Maybe not. There's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING one can believe out there. But at least on the 20th, All the false "Prophets" on "Christian TV" Will be handed their posteriors, and we won't have to listen to them any more (not that many of us did anyway). And we'll all have to get used to, will be Joe, bleating about "Unifying the country".
 

Loki

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Don't blame the people storming the capital. From their point of view, they are acting to prevent the fraudulent stealing of an election. That's the sort of thing that starts civil wars, much less riots. If liberals were in the same boat, they'd do the same.

The blame should fall directly on Trump and every politician who supported his idiotic, baseless campaign of discontent and its unsupported claims of election fraud. All should be prosecuted for treason.

Trump deserves plenty of the blame here, but I strongly disagree that the vandals who assaulted the Capitol today bear no responsibility. These are grown men and women who allowed themselves to become so demented by propaganda that they committed acts of treason against our nation. They don't get to excuse themselves by claiming they were simply following orders.
 

Bob1

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Don't blame the people storming the capital. From their point of view, they are acting to prevent the fraudulent stealing of an election. That's the sort of thing that starts civil wars, much less riots. If liberals were in the same boat, they'd do the same.

The blame should fall directly on Trump and every politician who supported his idiotic, baseless campaign of discontent and its unsupported claims of election fraud. All should be prosecuted for treason.
The MAGA cultists are partly to blame. They refuse to use their brains. They should be held accountable as well.
 

Temujin

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Trump deserves plenty of the blame here, but I strongly disagree that the vandals who assaulted the Capitol today bear no responsibility. These are grown men and women who allowed themselves to become so demented by propaganda that they committed acts of treason against our nation. They don't get to excuse themselves by claiming they were simply following orders.
On the BBC there were interviews with protestors who said there was no plan to go to the capitol until Trump raised it in his speech. They were doing what he told them to, "marching to the capitol to take back their country.". "We are proudly following his lead" said one woman.

Of course some will be more culpable than others, but I'm sure the OP is right. Mobs like this are tools, not actors.
 

vibise

Active member
SO you buy everything the Media Commentators say about what's going on??
The Media showed videos of this attack on the Capitol, along with the speeches inciting this action by Trump, Giuliani and DonJR, as well as the comment by Trump asking his very fine followers to go home and yet still insisting the election was stolen.

We don't need commentary to see what happened and to hear what was said.
 

Gus Bovona

Active member
The common people having doubts about the integrity of the election - if they're patriots - will let the officials handle the investigation and prosecution of any wrongdoing. At this point in time, those officials HAVE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS. They've ruled that there was no substantive voter that would have changed the election results.

Just because the common man isn't satisfied with this isn't a justification for violence or storming the capital and preventing the government from functioning. Just because he isn't satisfied with the answers he got doesn't mean his concerns are justified.

Democrats and Republicans around the ****ing country have explained - countless times - that the elections were legitimate and accurate. No amount of doubt justifies ignoring this - and yet here you are, pretending that being unhappy with an election's results is somehow the fault of people other than the ones rioting around the capitol building.

Sedition. Insurrection. This is what you're justifying.
Democracy means that there is a defined process for confirming or disconfirming whether election results reflect the will of the voters, and once that process has played out, everyone needs to accept the results, even if your candidate lost.

Be a decent citizen.
 

Loki

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On the BBC there were interviews with protestors who said there was no plan to go to the capitol until Trump raised it in his speech. They were doing what he told them to, "marching to the capitol to take back their country.". "We are proudly following his lead" said one woman.

Of course some will be more culpable than others, but I'm sure the OP is right. Mobs like this are tools, not actors.

They are culpable for their part in this assault. It's not enough to claim "Trump made me do it," particularly since many of these folks have track records on social media demonstrating their embrace of the nuttiest far-right conspiracies. These weren't simply everyday Americans who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. The GOP for years has branded itself as the Party of Personal Responsibility. Let's take them at their word and hold these people personally responsible.
 
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