Ivermectin

Backup

Well-known member
I think it’s important to stop and reflect how utterly insane the right-wing in America has become.

The whole Ivermectin “debate” is based on the idea that all official medical institutions are participating in some international conspiracy to lie to us about the global pandemic.

Right-wingers will believe any “source,” no matter how obviously crazy, rather than accept the recommendations of the actual experts.

FDA:
“The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19.”

CDC:
“Be aware that currently, ivermectin has not been proven as a way to prevent or treat COVID-19.”

A quick Google search will show how studies promoting ivermectin have been withdrawn as bogus.

The best we can say is the jury is still out.

The simple fact is we have a safe, effective, free, and convenient vaccine.

Right-wingers will buy into anything…anything, no matter how nutty or dangerous, rather than follow the advice of medical experts.
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
I think it’s important to stop and reflect how utterly insane the right-wing in America has become.

The whole Ivermectin “debate” is based on the idea that all official medical institutions are participating in some international conspiracy to lie to us about the global pandemic.

Right-wingers will believe any “source,” no matter how obviously crazy, rather than accept the recommendations of the actual experts.

FDA:
“The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19.”

CDC:
“Be aware that currently, ivermectin has not been proven as a way to prevent or treat COVID-19.”

A quick Google search will show how studies promoting ivermectin have been withdrawn as bogus.

The best we can say is the jury is still out.

The simple fact is we have a safe, effective, free, and convenient vaccine.

Right-wingers will buy into anything…anything, no matter how nutty or dangerous, rather than follow the advice of medical experts.
I've had covid, taken ivermectin and it worked. I have never even suggested there was any conspiracy regarding ivermectin. The facts however point to a deliberate effort to decide for doctors and patients how a personal medical situation will be treated. Off label use of drugs happens all the time. You people have no business deciding such things for people. The fact that you aren't bothered by that is frankly far more frightening to me than covid. EDITED--rule 22 violation
 
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TeabagSalad

Active member
I think it’s important to stop and reflect how utterly insane the right-wing in America has become.

The whole Ivermectin “debate” is based on the idea that all official medical institutions are participating in some international conspiracy to lie to us about the global pandemic.

Right-wingers will believe any “source,” no matter how obviously crazy, rather than accept the recommendations of the actual experts.

FDA:
“The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19.”

CDC:
“Be aware that currently, ivermectin has not been proven as a way to prevent or treat COVID-19.”

A quick Google search will show how studies promoting ivermectin have been withdrawn as bogus.

The best we can say is the jury is still out.

The simple fact is we have a safe, effective, free, and convenient vaccine.

Right-wingers will buy into anything…anything, no matter how nutty or dangerous, rather than follow the advice of medical experts.

It's quite amusing that the people who are most paranoid about being led astray by the "Mainstream Media" are so easily fooled by crazy conspiracy theories. It's like they don't know how to fact check things, and have no awareness of their own confirmation bias.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
It's quite amusing that the people who are most paranoid about being led astray by the "Mainstream Media" are so easily fooled by crazy conspiracy theories. It's like they don't know how to fact check things, and have no awareness of their own confirmation bias.
Most do not trust MSM, thinking they are all scripted and in cahoots with the government, or the Deep state, etc. but DO trust ultra-right news blogs, like Natural News and Gateway Pundit. Why? Because the people who run these blogs don't receive a salary from anyone, so supposedly no one is telling them what to say. They get their income from selling health supplements and other things, on their websites. So, that supposedly makes them more "accurate." Yet both of these sources have many failed fact checks and have been responsible for posting fake news, especially GP, and promoting conspiracy theories.

Anyway, I get most of my news from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, not TV news stations, though I watch the latter sometimes for the weather and local news.
 

Furion

Well-known member
I think it’s important to stop and reflect how utterly insane the right-wing in America has become.

The whole Ivermectin “debate” is based on the idea that all official medical institutions are participating in some international conspiracy to lie to us about the global pandemic.

Right-wingers will believe any “source,” no matter how obviously crazy, rather than accept the recommendations of the actual experts.

FDA:
“The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19.”

CDC:
“Be aware that currently, ivermectin has not been proven as a way to prevent or treat COVID-19.”

A quick Google search will show how studies promoting ivermectin have been withdrawn as bogus.

The best we can say is the jury is still out.

The simple fact is we have a safe, effective, free, and convenient vaccine.

Right-wingers will buy into anything…anything, no matter how nutty or dangerous, rather than follow the advice of medical experts.
Crazy source.
 

vibise

Well-known member
I've had covid, taken ivermectin and it worked. I have never even suggested there was any conspiracy regarding ivermectin. The facts however point to a deliberate effort to decide for doctors and patients how a personal medical situation will be treated. Off label use of drugs happens all the time. You people have no business deciding such things for people. The fact that you aren't bothered by that is frankly far more frightening to me than covid. EDITED
You have no way of knowing if ivermectin cured your covid, or if you would have gotten better anyway.

You claim you have never suggested there is a conspiracy against ivermectin and then go on to describe a conspiracy - a deliberate effort to decide how this disease should be treated that goes against the wishes of individual doctors and patients.

Yes, off label use of drugs happens a lot, but there can be some reasonable basis for that use. There is no such basis right now for using ivermectin for covid.

The real scary thing is that people are being convinced there is an effective treatment for covid, and therefore they forego the vaccine. The consequence is that cases and hospitalizations are skyrocketing. The blame for this is squarely on those who traffic in and profit from misinformation.
 
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Howie

Well-known member
I think it’s important to stop and reflect how utterly insane the right-wing in America has become.

The whole Ivermectin “debate” is based on the idea that all official medical institutions are participating in some international conspiracy to lie to us about the global pandemic.

Right-wingers will believe any “source,” no matter how obviously crazy, rather than accept the recommendations of the actual experts.

FDA:
“The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19.”

CDC:
“Be aware that currently, ivermectin has not been proven as a way to prevent or treat COVID-19.”

A quick Google search will show how studies promoting ivermectin have been withdrawn as bogus.

The best we can say is the jury is still out.

The simple fact is we have a safe, effective, free, and convenient vaccine.

Right-wingers will buy into anything…anything, no matter how nutty or dangerous, rather than follow the advice of medical experts.
Only trusts google to confirm his biases ... ^^^

Rejects all else as RW conspiracy -- the lights are out. No one is home.
 
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Yakuda

Well-known member
You have no way of knowing if ivermectin cured your covid, or if you would have gotten better anyway.

You claim you have never suggested there is a conspiracy against ivermectin and then go on to describe a conspiracy - a deliberate effort to decide how this disease should be treated that goes against the wishes of individual doctors and patients.

Yes, off label use of drugs happens a lot, but there can be some reasonable basis for that use. There is no such basis right now for using ivermectin for covid.

The real scary thing is that people are being convinced there is an effective treatment for covid, and therefore they forego the vaccine. The consequence is that cases and hospitalizations are skyrocketing. The blame for this is squarely on those who traffic in and profit from misinformation.
It's not a conspiracy to say you and the leftist wingnuts have put the kibosh to doctors and patients making personal decisions about how to treat covid. If you think that's a conspiracy you're delusional. You can't be taken seriously any longer.
 

TeabagSalad

Active member
I've had covid, taken ivermectin and it worked.

Did it? How do you know that the ivermectin had any effect at all?

The way in which we know if drugs are effective against particular illnesses is through detailed studies. At best the jury is still out with regards to the effectiveness of Ivermectin against COVID-19. The major study which suggested it was effective has been withdrawn after it became apparent that it misused data.

I have never even suggested there was any conspiracy regarding ivermectin. The facts however point to a deliberate effort to decide for doctors and patients how a personal medical situation will be treated. Off label use of drugs happens all the time. You people have no business deciding such things for people. The fact that you aren't bothered by that is frankly far more frightening to me than covid.

The people who are in the business of deciding what drugs people should take to treat COVID are the doctors and scientists who are running the studies. At this point there are several studies going on to test the effectiveness of Ivermectin. Until there is a study which shows it is effective then it shouldn't be used.

You people are evil Nazis with no actual interest in stopping this thing.

The best way of stopping COVID is to get as many people vaccinated as possible, make sure that testing is widely available, ensure the public continues to wear masks in enclosed environments, and that people isolate if they test positive for COVID.
 

TeabagSalad

Active member
It's not a conspiracy to say you and the leftist wingnuts have put the kibosh to doctors and patients making personal decisions about how to treat covid. If you think that's a conspiracy you're delusional. You can't be taken seriously any longer.

No, it's not "leftist wingnuts", it's sensible people who know that you shouldn't just give people drugs until we know those drugs are effective at treating a particular ailment.
 

Howie

Well-known member
evil Nazis, you say?

I don’t care if you get you medicine advice from conspiracy blogs, rather than medical experts. I just think it’s stupid.
Prove you're information is from experts and that Ivermectin research is not by experts ...
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
Did it? How do you know that the ivermectin had any effect at all?

The way in which we know if drugs are effective against particular illnesses is through detailed studies. At best the jury is still out with regards to the effectiveness of Ivermectin against COVID-19. The major study which suggested it was effective has been withdrawn after it became apparent that it misused data.



The people who are in the business of deciding what drugs people should take to treat COVID are the doctors and scientists who are running the studies. At this point there are several studies going on to test the effectiveness of Ivermectin. Until there is a study which shows it is effective then it shouldn't be used.



The best way of stopping COVID is to get as many people vaccinated as possible, make sure that testing is widely available, ensure the public continues to wear masks in enclosed environments, and that people isolate if they test positive for COVID.
What did I write? Please try this time
 

Backup

Well-known member
Only trusts google to confirm his biases ... ^^^

Rejects all else as RW conspiracy -- the lights are out. No one is home.
If that makes you feel better. You people are just hurting yourselves by never having learned to vet sources.
 

Howie

Well-known member
If that makes you feel better. You people are just hurting yourselves by never having learned to vet sources.
If that makes you feel better. You people are just hurting yourselves by never having learned to vet sources
 

TeabagSalad

Active member
What did I write? Please try this time

Well, first of all you wrote:

I've had covid, taken ivermectin and it worked.

To which I responded with the following questions:

Did it? How do you know that the ivermectin had any effect at all?

I then went on to make a couple of points about how we know drugs are effective, and pointed out that the major study which suggested that Ivermectin has been withdrawn:

The way in which we know if drugs are effective against particular illnesses is through detailed studies. At best the jury is still out with regards to the effectiveness of Ivermectin against COVID-19. The major study which suggested it was effective has been withdrawn after it became apparent that it misused data.

So, can you answer the questions asked?

I then responded to another one of your comments, pointing out that the people who should decide what drugs are used are the people doing the studies:

I have never even suggested there was any conspiracy regarding ivermectin. The facts however point to a deliberate effort to decide for doctors and patients how a personal medical situation will be treated. Off label use of drugs happens all the time. You people have no business deciding such things for people. The fact that you aren't bothered by that is frankly far more frightening to me than covid.

The people who are in the business of deciding what drugs people should take to treat COVID are the doctors and scientists who are running the studies. At this point there are several studies going on to test the effectiveness of Ivermectin. Until there is a study which shows it is effective then it shouldn't be used.

Do you agree what we should wait until we have positive studies before using a drug to treat something like COVID-19?

You people are evil Nazis with no actual interest in stopping this thing.

Lastly I responded to this Godwin by giving the actual way in which we can mitigate the effects of COVID:

The best way of stopping COVID is to get as many people vaccinated as possible, make sure that testing is widely available, ensure the public continues to wear masks in enclosed environments, and that people isolate if they test positive for COVID.

Do you not think that these few, rather simple precautions is an effective way to minimise the spread of COVID-19? If not, why not?

So, I responded to what you wrote...can you address my response?
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
Well, first of all you wrote:



To which I responded with the following questions:

Did it? How do you know that the ivermectin had any effect at all?

I then went on to make a couple of points about how we know drugs are effective, and pointed out that the major study which suggested that Ivermectin has been withdrawn:

The way in which we know if drugs are effective against particular illnesses is through detailed studies. At best the jury is still out with regards to the effectiveness of Ivermectin against COVID-19. The major study which suggested it was effective has been withdrawn after it became apparent that it misused data.

So, can you answer the questions asked?

I then responded to another one of your comments, pointing out that the people who should decide what drugs are used are the people doing the studies:



The people who are in the business of deciding what drugs people should take to treat COVID are the doctors and scientists who are running the studies. At this point there are several studies going on to test the effectiveness of Ivermectin. Until there is a study which shows it is effective then it shouldn't be used.

Do you agree what we should wait until we have positive studies before using a drug to treat something like COVID-19?



Lastly I responded to this Godwin by giving the actual way in which we can mitigate the effects of COVID:

The best way of stopping COVID is to get as many people vaccinated as possible, make sure that testing is widely available, ensure the public continues to wear masks in enclosed environments, and that people isolate if they test positive for COVID.

Do you not think that these few, rather simple precautions is an effective way to minimise the spread of COVID-19? If not, why not?

So, I responded to what you wrote...can you address my response?
Yes I misspoke. I usually say I "felt better after 2 days". I got lazy there

This is a simple challenge why does it matter to anyone how my doctor and I decided to handle a medical crisis. It's a personal decision and none of your business. And as of this moment no has yet provided a compelling reason why it should be their business.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
CDC:
“Be aware that currently, ivermectin has not been proven as a way to prevent or treat COVID-19.”
If you get lucky and pass your last 2 years of H.S. you have have enough education to learn about "off label" scripts.

By the way your KKomrade is all pumped up about Prozac (fluvoxamine/fluoxetene) as a winner to fight the Wuhan Fru
an SSRI.
 
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