James 5:7-8

Yodas_Prodigy

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James 5
7 So be patient, brothers and sisters, until the Lord’s return. Think of how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the ground and is patient for it until it receives the early and late rains. 8 You also be patient and strengthen your hearts, for the Lord’s return is near.

Who is the audience? What does James mean by near? What does James mean by "the Lord's return"? What presuppositions was James using here in his message?
 

Yodas_Prodigy

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Bump for the critics...

James 5
7 So be patient, brothers and sisters, until the Lord’s return. Think of how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the ground and is patient for it until it receives the early and late rains. 8 You also be patient and strengthen your hearts, for the Lord’s return is near.

Who is the audience? What does James mean by near? What does James mean by "the Lord's return"? What presuppositions was James using here in his message?
 

Yodas_Prodigy

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Bump for the critics...

James 5
7 So be patient, brothers and sisters, until the Lord’s return. Think of how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the ground and is patient for it until it receives the early and late rains. 8 You also be patient and strengthen your hearts, for the Lord’s return is near.

Who is the audience? What does James mean by near? What does James mean by "the Lord's return"? What presuppositions was James using here in his message?
 

Reformedguy

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James 5
7 So be patient, brothers and sisters, until the Lord’s return. Think of how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the ground and is patient for it until it receives the early and late rains. 8 You also be patient and strengthen your hearts, for the Lord’s return is near.

Who is the audience? What does James mean by near? What does James mean by "the Lord's return"? What presuppositions was James using here in his message?
I hate the sound of crickets. Good post
 

squirrelyguy

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Do you think it's possible that James wrote his epistle with a future generation in mind? The reason I ask is because he addresses his epistle to "the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad" in the opening verse. That doesn't sound like an explicitly Christian audience; much less a 1st century Christian audience.

I've wondered this for some time now in my attempts to understand the book of James, and I've wondered the same thing about 1 John as well. Is it possible that we have books in our Bibles that the Holy Spirit inspired men to write specifically for some future generation? This isn't to say that those who come before that hypothetical generation cannot glean truth from reading the letters; but it will only make complete sense to the future generation for which it was intended.
 

robycop3

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The Lord has NOT yet returned; it's that simple. James meant to be patient, as His return will occur when it occurs. However, for each of us, our meeting with Him is no further than THE NEXT HEARTBEAT...
 

Yodas_Prodigy

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The Lord has NOT yet returned; it's that simple. James meant to be patient, as His return will occur when it occurs. However, for each of us, our meeting with Him is no further than THE NEXT HEARTBEAT...

You didn't answer the questions... You ducked them...

Who is the audience? What does James mean by near? What does James mean by "the Lord's return"? What presuppositions was James using here in his message?
 

robycop3

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You didn't answer the questions... You ducked them...

Who is the audience?
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Whoever james was writing to.
What does James mean by near?
not far, by man's reckoning.

What does James mean by "the Lord's return"?
Jesus' promised return in Matt. 24

What presuppositions was James using here in his message?
That Jesus' return was not far off, but that was by man's reckoning, not God's.

BOTTOM LINE-the prophesied eschatological events have NOT occurred yet. No getting around it.
 

Yodas_Prodigy

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Whoever james was writing to.

not far, by man's reckoning.


Jesus' promised return in Matt. 24


That Jesus' return was not far off, but that was by man's reckoning, not God's.

BOTTOM LINE-the prophesied eschatological events have NOT occurred yet. No getting around it.
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Non-answers...
 

robycop3

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Whoever james was writing to.

not far, by man's reckoning.


Jesus' promised return in Matt. 24


That Jesus' return was not far off, but that was by man's reckoning, not God's.

BOTTOM LINE-the prophesied eschatological events have NOT occurred yet. No getting around it.

Non-answers...
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That's all you're gonna get, as you asked non-questions.

Bottom line is...JESUS HASN'T YET RETURNED.
 

robycop3

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I agree... Jesus has not physically returned... BTW, reminder, Jesus is Omnipresent ;)
But when he said He'd return, He meant PHYSICALLY. When He physically left, the 2 angels among those who saw Him go said He'd return in like manner. He physically left, so He will physically return.
 
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