Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world

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TomFL

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Go back and look Tom. It’s a free country, and I choose not to do the work for you.

Take the professor hat off, this way you can see your questions and my answers, even though you don’t like them.
again show where

Show where you answered my specific questions

John 12:47 (KJV)
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

according to the text why does Jesus not judge any who do not believe ?

Based on that what is the relation of the unbeliever to the world ?

and originally who did Jesus come to save in the world (according to the text)

and then compare

John 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
 

Carbon

Well-known member
again show where

Show where you answered my specific questions

John 12:47 (KJV)
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

according to the text why does Jesus not judge any who do not believe ?

Based on that what is the relation of the unbeliever to the world ?

and originally who did Jesus come to save in the world (according to the text)

and then compare

John 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Like I said, do your own work Tom.

I don’t take orders from you.
Go back and look, consider what I said and my reasoning, then we can continue.
 
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TomFL

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I'm glad you think Bible study is "amusing".



So what?
Calvin disagrees with YOU on many points as well.
Do you consider Calvin to be infallible Scripture?



So what?
They disagree with YOU on many points as well.
Do you consider them to be infallible Scripture?



It's "Barnes", not "Barne's".

And hopefully you can guess the rest of my reply (it parallels what you wrote above).



Wrong again, on two points:

1) Just because you consider me unconvincing, doesn't mean that you aren't also unconvincing.

2) Since my purpose isn't EVEN to "convince" you of anything (why should I care what you believe?), it's impossible for me to be "unconvincing".
Well lets see

Calvin would consider me convincing

JFB would consider me convincing

Barnes would consider me convincing

and all three would consider you unconvincing

and as seeing as Jude speaks of the same thing and calls Christ the master

He and the holy Ghost who inspired him would consider you unconvincing
 

Carbon

Well-known member
Define, "consider".
You seem to think it means, "blindly agree".

I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that.

Am I not allowed to disagree with anyone?
Why do you ask if your allowed to disagree with anyone, After the fact?

shouldn’t you have asked before you disagreed with anyone?
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
Why are these famous Calvinist commentators disagreeing with him ?

So is it the fact that they are "famous" what determines their guarantee of being correct?
(Even when they disagree with you?)

Or is it the fact that they are "Calvinist" what determines their guarantee of being correct?
(Even when they disagree with you?)
 
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TomFL

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Define, "consider".
You seem to think it means, "blindly agree".

I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that.

Am I not allowed to disagree with anyone?
Actually it was one of your peers who seemed to imply that

and you can disagree with anyone you like

but when even famous Calvinist authors disagree with you your disagrement seems weak

and the fact even your claim it was the Father does not help you

because in the new testament data men are bought with the blood of Christ

making your argument still weaker
 

Chalcedon

Well-known member
again show where

Show where you answered my specific questions

John 12:47 (KJV)
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

according to the text why does Jesus not judge any who do not believe ?

Based on that what is the relation of the unbeliever to the world ?

and originally who did Jesus come to save in the world (according to the text)

and then compare

John 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Did Jesus judge and condemn the Pharisees in Matthew 23? Yes or no

You have a contradiction .
 

Theo1689

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Actually it was one of your peers who seemed to imply that

No, that was YOU.

1) You posted the commentaries.
2) I disagreed with your opinion.
3) YOU asked, "Did Theo1689 consider" the commentaries?

The only reason for asking that is by ASSUMING that I didn't, and ASSUMING that if I read them, I would agree with them (and you).

Apparently you don't think I have the right to study Scripture for myself.

and you can disagree with anyone you like

Great.
So why do you constantly get your boxers twisted in a bunch, simply because I disagree with your OPINION?

but when even famous Calvinist authors disagree with you your disagrement seems weak

So I'm supposed to blindly agree with others, and disagree with others, simply because they are "famous" and "Calvinist"?

How come (you think) I have to, but YOU don't have to when they disagree with YOU?

and the fact even your claim it was the Father does not help you

I don't recall asking for your errant opinion.

because in the new testament data men are bought with the blood of Christ

That's not what this verse is about.
You simply ASSUME it, because YOU are driven by your theology.

NO mention of "Jesus".
NO mention of "Christ".
NO mention of "kurios".
NO mention of "atonement".
NO mention of "cross".
NO mention of "blood".
NO mention of "redemption".

making your argument still weaker

I don't recall asking for your errant opinion.
 
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TomFL

Guest
There you go again

Why are these famous Calvinist commentators disagreeing with him ?

Where is the father stated to have bought anyone in the New Testament ?

and where is the purchase price of men ever any thing but Christ's blood ?
 

Carbon

Well-known member
There you go again

Why are these famous Calvinist commentators disagreeing with him ?

Where is the father stated to have bought anyone in the New Testament ?

and where is the purchase price of men ever any thing but Christ's blood ?
Why ask me? Ask Theo1689.
As far as we go, focus on our discussions. I’m still waiting.
 

SovereignGrace

Well-known member
Like I said, do your own work Tom.

I don’t take orders from you.
Go back and look, consider what I said and my reasoning, then we can continue.
Since when has he ever done this? He has(IMO) 10-15 posts filed away somewhere on his desktop/tablet/phone/android that all he has to do is access it, pick which post, copy and paste it, and voila! He’s got a post posted right after you, or one of the others, so fast, there’s no way he’s ever considered what you posted. Plus, as quick as he posts it, there’s no way he’s had time to type it out that fast.
 
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TomFL

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NO mention of "Jesus".
NO mention of "Christ".
NO mention of "kurios".
NO mention of "atonement".
NO mention of "cross".
NO mention of "blood".
NO mention of "redemption".

Jude speaking of the same thing

Mentions Jesus
Mentions Christ
Mention Kurios

The Greek word translated bought in the KJV (2Pe 2:1)is also translated redeem in three places

and the same Peter notes

1 Peter 1:18-19 (KJV)
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

The only buying/purchasing/redemption of men by Deity seen throughout the whole new testament is that of Christ's redemption of men by his blood

and that addresses atonement , the cross
 

Chalcedon

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Since when has he ever done this? He has(IMO) 10-15 posts filed away somewhere on his desktop/tablet/phone/android that all he has to do is access it, pick which post, copy and paste it, and voila! He’s got a post posted right after you, or one of the others, so fast, there’s no way he’s ever considered what you posted. Plus, as quick as he posts it, there’s no way he’s had time to type it out that fast.
Unless he types 120 wpm with a total recall memory to boot 🥾 😆
 
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