Biblican
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That is not supported by scripture.Thus all three Persons have NO beginning.
That is not supported by scripture.Thus all three Persons have NO beginning.
There is no evidence of a fourth element that links the Three. If we cannot explain from the scriptures how they are linked, then that is tritheism. The only evidence we have of how the Father and Son are unified is the Holy Spirit.Ohh so there's a go-between between the Father and the Son.. that pesky "eternal it"..
If the Son has no beginning and always existed, then He is not a Son but a second God. That is why the early church recognized that Jesus' soul had to have been begotten from the Father at some point in infinity. We are not polytheists.No the Son is Eternal.
That is not supported by scripture.
There is no evidence of a fourth element that links the Three. If we cannot explain from the scriptures how they are linked, then that is tritheism. The only evidence we have of how the Father and Son are unified is the Holy Spirit.
No. The Holy Spirit unifies the persons of the Father and the Son. Jesus and the Father are the same Spirit.
Jesus' soul had a beginning, His Spirit did not.Thus all three Persons have NO beginning.
The Father lives in the Son through His Spirit, and also through us because we are now His habitation. That s how He interacts with people, through His Spirit. His person is so holy that He generates an unapproachable Light as Paul said, so He ministers through His Spirit.You are not a trinitarian... LOLOLOL
The Father lives in the Son.. there's no third thingy.. that pesky "eternal it"..
There is only one go-between between God and men, THE SON.
The Father lives in the Son through His Spirit, and also through us because we are now His habitation.
Jesus' soul had a beginning, His Sprit which is the Father's Holy Spirit did not. Don't you understand that the soul is not the same as the Spirit? The soul is the person of anyone. We save souls because it will survive the death of the body and needs to be saved in order to go to heaven. The spirit of anyone is the life force, that which gives life to the soul and body. Adam was given life by the breath, nashamah in Hebrew, Jesus was given life as a man by God's Holy Spirit. That's why Paul said Jesus was "made a life giving Spirit". God gives life through His Eternal Spirit. There is only one Sprit that is God and the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit as Jesus said. Jesus and the Father are the same Spirit with distinctions in the persons.Jesus and the Father are the same spirit now???
I thought Jesus had a beginning.
Jesus' soul had a beginning, His Sprit which is the Father's Holy Spirit did not. Don't you understand that the soul is not the same as the Spirit? The soul is the person of anyone. We save souls because it will survive the death of the body and needs to be saved in order to go to heaven. The spirit of anyone is the life force, that which gives life to the soul and body. Adam was given life by the breath, nashamah in Hebrew, Jesus was given life as a man by God's Holy Spirit. That's why Paul said Jesus was "made a life giving Spirit". God gives life through His Eternal Spirit. There is only one Sprit that is God and the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit as Jesus said. Jesus and the Father are the same Spirit with distinctions in the persons.
That's not what I said. You have a comprehension problem. God is one Spirit and the Holy Spirit is His Spirit, it is not a second Spirit. When we have more than one spirit we have more than one God. This is what Jesus taught. The Father's Spirit is distinct from His person and unifies Jesus' soul with the Father's person. That is the Trinity and we see it in Isaiah 42:1. The Holy Spirit is not a mediator, it is the unifier. In order for the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit to be a Trinity or a tri-unity of three they have to be unified don't they? And there is no fourth element anywhere in scripture that unifies them apart from the Father's Spirit. We see that unification taking place in Isaiah 42:1. In order for Jesus to take our sins upon His soul, it has to be a distinct begotten element from the Father. But in order to remove our sins He has to be God and that is why His Spirit is God's Holy Spirit which is distinct from His soul/person. Again, there are not two spirits, just one and that Spirit is the Holy Spirit. Remember that's how Jesus teaches it in John 4:24 and Matthew 10:20. If there is any other linking factor in scripture that unifies them apart from the Father's Spirit, then please find it for me.Jesus said "no one, nothing" knows the Father except the Son.
But Biblican believes in an "eternal thing/it" which existed before Jesus beside the Father, and this thing supposedly birthed Jesus and acts as mediator between them..
Hey @Biblican does "the third it" know the Father? Yes or no?
What I said is not a contradiction. You have not been paying attention. It is not gibberish, it is scripture. The word of God makes a distinction between the soul and the spirit and when we understand that and how those elements relate to the Father and Son we can understand the Trinity from the scriptures and not from someone's philosophy.You said Jesus and the Father are the same spirit, in contradiction to what you said before.
What you posted has nothing to do with it, and is gibberish.
God is the Spirit there is no go between. Jesus said the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father Matthew 10:20. He operates through His Spirit.This is false.
The Father dwells in Christ, NO go-between.
NO second go-between who goes between us and Jesus, us and God, or between God and Jesus.
You worship the spirit of the antichrist.
What I said is not a contradiction. You have not been paying attention. It is not gibberish, it is scripture. The word of God makes a distinction between the soul and the spirit and when we understand that and how those elements relate to the Father and Son we can understand the Trinity from the scriptures and not from someone's philosophy.
God is the Spirit there is no go between.
The Son's soul/person had a beginning, His Spirit did not. The Holy Spirit is Jesus' Spirit as the apostles taught. - …the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His - Romans 8:9.You said the Son has a beginning. The Father doesn't have a beginning. You said they are the same same spirit. Impossible.
Nevermind that third thingy/the eternal it.