Jesus is just a messenger of the word of GOD not GOD .

cjab

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cjab is avoding the fact that John 14:14 teaches the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer.
I have stated "in my name" is the proper form of address to Jesus, as exemplified by the apostles in Acts and by Jesus himself. Prayer is to be directed to or spoken to the Father, as the 'head of Christ' per Christ's command. You are avoiding the issue of correctness of forms in seeking to oust the authority and relevance of the Father. Such is impermissible. Christianity is never worship of Christ to the exclusion of the Father: such constitutes heretical Christianity that is in danger of descending into ba'al worship (all ba'als share this commonality - they usurp their own father).
 

Fred

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I have stated "in my name" is the proper form of address to Jesus, as exemplified by the apostles in Acts and by Jesus himself. Prayer is to be directed to or spoken to the Father, as the 'head of Christ' per Christ's command. You are avoiding the issue of correctness of forms in seeking to oust the authority and relevance of the Father. Such is impermissible. Christianity is never worship of Christ to the exclusion of the Father: such constitutes heretical Christianity that is in danger of descending into ba'al worship (all ba'als share this commonality - they usurp their own father).

When Christ said "ask Me" in John 14:14 it refers to praying to Him. When Christ said to ask of the Father it refers to praying to Father (John 15:16).
Don't hold to one while ignoring the other.

I never affirmed that the worship of Christ is to the exclusion of the Father. The worship of Christ is to the glory of the Father.
https://forums.carm.org/threads/the-fear-of-the-lord-yhwh-the-fear-of-the-lord-jesus.7732/page-2#post-534992
 

cjab

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When Christ said "ask Me" in John 14:14 it refers to praying to Him. When Christ said to ask of the Father it refers to praying to Father (John 15:16).
Don't hold to one while ignoring the other.
It is you who are ignoring the form of address taught by Christ as given in the very verse you quoted John 14:14.

I never affirmed that the worship of Christ is to the exclusion of the Father. The worship of Christ is to the glory of the Father.
https://forums.carm.org/threads/the-fear-of-the-lord-yhwh-the-fear-of-the-lord-jesus.7732/page-2#post-534992
The worship of Christ must be in the appropriate form in order to bring glory to the Father. Carnal worshop of Jesus is deprecated cf. Act 19:15, Mat 7:22.
 

Fred

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It is you who are ignoring the form of address taught by Christ as given in the very verse you quoted John 14:14.

Your delusion won't work. To ask Christ in John 14:14 refers to praying to Him.

The worship of Christ must be in the appropriate form in order to bring glory to the Father. Carnal worshop of Jesus is deprecated cf. Act 19:15, Mat 7:22.

What does your delusional "appropriate form in order" mean?
 

cjab

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Your delusion won't work. To ask Christ in John 14:14 refers to praying to Him.
As you seem to be calling Christ delusional by his demanding prayer "in his name", we'd best stop here.

What does your delusional "appropriate form in order" mean?
The order in heaven is to be acknowledged always. It is given in 1 Cor 11:3. If you do not acknowledge this order, you aren't in spiritual accord with deity.
 

Fred

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As you seem to be calling Christ delusional by his demanding prayer "in his name", we'd best stop here.

Yes, please stop denying that Christ said "ask Me" in reference to praying to Him.

The order in heaven is to be acknowledged always. It is given in 1 Cor 11:3. If you do not acknowledge this order, you aren't in spiritual accord with deity.
Which does nothing to refute the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer.

Your delusions are worse than I thought.

Get help!
 

cjab

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Yes, please stop denying that Christ said "ask Me" in reference to praying to Him.
So you have recourse to lying.
Which does nothing to refute the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer.
Lying by inferring that I said he wasn't a proper recipient of prayer.

Your delusions are worse than I thought.

Get help!
A teacher without integrity. I don't recognize you as of Christ at all, amply fulfilling my predictions about spiritual worship degenerating into carnal worship by adopting an unscriptural approach to worship.
 
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Fred

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So you have recourse to lying.

An assertion without proof.

Just for you:
 

Gary Mac

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And pray to Jesus which Jesus taught.

John 14:14
If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. (NASB)

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): The unity of the Son with the Father finds expressions in the fact that prayer in the name of Jesus can be directed to either Father or Son (5:276, onoma, Hans Bietenhard).
Yes Jesus asked of God many times in prayer to his God. Jesus even prayed to his Gof for his God to be in you and you be in Him as one as Jesus was one in Him in John 17.

He asked of God to forgive them they know not what they do.

He asked of his God to let this cup pass from him.

Jesus asked a lot in the name of his Father who is God.

Me being Gods son as well talk to my father without ceasing just as Jesus did. We are one, Luke 17:20-21. The kingdom of God is within me just as He was in Jesus no different at all.
 

rossh

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So you have recourse to lying.

Lying by inferring that I said he wasn't a proper recipient of prayer.


A teacher without integrity. I don't recognize you as of Christ at all, amply fulfilling my predictions about spiritual worship degenerating into carnal worship by adopting an unscriptural approach to worship.
,, your suppositions, you need deal with all that.
BTW, what/who is " christ " ? Yeshua the Messiah ? Why do you believe that we all need YOUR " recognition ?
 
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