Jesus is LORD!

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Isa 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government-shall be upon his shoulder:and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlastingFather, The Prince of Peace.

So the last one didn't work and so you would try another didja?

Jesus came in his Father's name to make his Father's name known.

Jesus said ONE is your Father and he is in heaven.

How many Father's do you have?
 
So the last one didn't work and so you would try another didja?

Jesus came in his Father's name to make his Father's name known.

Jesus said ONE is your Father and he is in heaven.

How many Father's do you have?
Scripture says God the Father created everything. Scripture says Jesus created everything. Scripture says everything was created by the Holy Spirit. Connect the dots.
 
No it doesn't.

YES IT DOES..

John 1:3, Col 1:16, Rev 3:14, Ps 33:6, 2 Pet 3:5, Etc.

Oops!

Our Lord's God created everything by His Spirit.

Which is Christ 2 Cor 3:17.

OOPS!

P.s.: I thought you didn't believe God HAS a Spirit, but now you say "God created everything *BY HIS SPIRIT*"?

So what are you at like 3 spirits now?
 
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uuuuuhhh NO. The God of Jesus is not Jesus but somebody else - his Father, the God of our Lord.



John 8:58 reads ego eimi.

To Moses, God referred to himself as ho on not ego emi.

But I'm sure those are facts you don't care much about.

And ego eimi wasn't some special term for first century Jews. It was common everyday language just like the English words "I am" are common everyday language.

Even worse, you are contradicting Jesus who had just stated that he does not glorify himself concerning who he is because it would mean nothing.

Who do you make yourself out to be?”
Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing."

But you claim he glorified himself in the highest way possible and it means everything. tsk tsk.

Back to the drawing board for you.
I am sure YOU know Greek better than the VAST majority of the Greek scholars that translated the vast majority of translations available.
 
I am sure YOU know Greek better than the VAST majority of the Greek scholars that translated the vast majority of translations available.

It takes about 10 minutes to learn what ego eimi means.
And about another 10 minutes to learn precisely what God told Moses.

But if you were tickling your itching ears, and telling yourself what you want to hear, sorry to interrupt.
 
It takes about 10 minutes to learn what ego eimi means.
And about another 10 minutes to learn precisely what God told Moses.

But if you were tickling your itching ears, and telling yourself what you want to hear, sorry to interrupt.
Like I said you obviously know more than the vast majority of Greek scholars that have translated the vast majority of the existing translations , but only you are right.
 
yes I dismantled the C's on the other forum with their 1 cor 12:3 claims lol.

Many here have claimed 1 Cor 12:3 can only be said by a born again believer which is false since that chapter is all about the spiritual ( pneumatikos) graces ( charisma ) gifts in the body of Christ.

Secondly below are plenty of unbelievers and demons who confess Jesus is Lord and that He is the Christ- the Son of God as Peter also confessed.

This is what happens when one protects their dogma and doesn't take into consideration the whole counsel of God on a topis and rip out a verse like 1 cor 12:3 and misapply it.

Below we see at the Judgement of all men even unbelievers will confess Jesus is Lord !

Matthew 7:21-23

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

Isaiah 45:23-24
By myself I have sworn,
my mouth has uttered in all integrity
a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow;
by me every tongue will swear.
24 They will say of me, ‘In the Lord alone
are deliverance and strength.’”
All who have raged against him
will come to him and be put to shame


Below we see the demons confess like Peter did that Jesus is the Son of God, the Son of the living God- the Christ/Messiah.

Matthew 8:29

“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”

Matthew 16:16-17
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven

Luke 4:41
And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

Mark 1:24
"What do You want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are--the Holy One of God!"

Mark 4:7

And he shouted in a loud voice, "What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God not to torture me!"

Acts 19:15
Eventually, one of the evil spirits answered them, "Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?


So much for the ones who do not understand the meaning of confessing Jesus is Lord, the Christ, the Son of God


hope this helps !!!
 
To Confess

NT:3670 ‎o(mologe/w ‎homologeo (hom-ol-og-eh'-o);

Strong's Concordance

homologeó: to speak the same, to agree

Original Word:
ὁμολογέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: homologeó
Phonetic Spelling: (hom-ol-og-eh'-o)
Definition: to speak the same, to agree
Usage:
(a) I promise, agree, (b) I confess, (c) I publicly declare, (d) a Hebraism, I praise, celebrate.

3670 homologéō (from 3674 /homoú, "together" and 3004 /légō, "speak to a conclusion") – properly, to voice the same conclusion, i.e. agree ("confess"); to profess (confess) because in full agreement; to align with (endorse)


Joel 2:32
32
"And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;

For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.


Here we see Paul quote this OT passage about YHWH and apply it to Jesus who is the one and only Lord according to the N.T.


Romans 10:9-13
9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


So a person must confess Jesus is YHWH(Lord) to be saved. Confess means to agree with so the person confessing Jesus is Lord is in agreement that He is YHWH
. Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord ( YHWH) will be saved.

The number one test to distinguish truth for error and the Spirit of God from that of the spirit of antichrist is the confession of our divine Lord Jesus Christ. Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. There is one thing the spirit of antichrist will deny and that is they will deny He is God in the flesh- that He is fully God and fully man. They will deny God in human flesh. They will always deny the Incarnation which was permanent. When a person affirms that Jesus Christ is God in flesh that equates to divine truth. Every spirit that confesses meaning to continually confess or agrees with saying the same thing as John declares in his writings is from God. This is the person who is taught by the Spirit of God according to John. The first test that you want to have for any teacher is their Christology, check out what they say about Christ. This becomes a litmus test that is very easy to spot among the false teachers. If you have somebody who denies the deity of Christ you have a clear indication they are of the spirit of antichrist.

If we go back to the beginning of 1 John, we read that which we he beheld, and actually touched concerning the Word of life. That is a term expressing the very deity of Christ. Christ emanates from God as His living Word. He was with the Father in the beginning in 1:2. Jesus was One with the Father sharing the same essence with the Father in heaven with Him before the foundation of the world. John says He was manifested to us. John's language then starts out with the fact that Jesus Christ emanates from God as the very living Word of God. Jesus is the living Word of God,the One John says that was from the beginning that we heard, we saw and we touched. Jesus the Word of life was the eternal One who was with the Father prior to His Incarnation and was then manifested to us in the flesh that we could see and hear and touch according to John. Therefore, we can clearly see Jesus is the very Word of God Incarnate. He is the eternal life who became flesh. The Word who was with God, the Word who was God, was the One who John says was manifested to us. This is how we can tell the spirit of truth from the spirit of antichrist. Can you confess Jesus is God Incarnate?

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.


Erchomenon the present participle in 2 John 7

Alford
- the present tense is timeless(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Brooke- the Incarnation is not only an event in history, it is an abiding truth(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Stott- the two natures manhood and Godhood were united already at His birth, never to be divided. In 1 John 4:2 and here in 2 John 7 emphasizes this permanent union of the natures in the One Person ( TNTC pages 209-210) He who denies the Incarnation is not just a deceiver and an antichrist but “the deceiver and the antichrist”. There is in this heresy a double affront: it opposes Christ and deceives men.(stott TNCT page 210)

Marshall- the use of the present and perfect tenses becomes significant if the point is that Jesus Christ had come and still existed “in flesh”. For him(John) it was axiomatic that there had been a true Incarnation, that the word became flesh and remained flesh. It is a point that receives much stress in 1 John 2:18-28;4:1-6;5:5-8. (NICNT pages 70-71)

Smalley- the present tense emphasizes the permanent union of the human and Divine natures in Jesus. Gods self disclosure in Jesus took place at a particular moment in history , but it has continuing effects in the present and into the future(Word Biblical Commentary page 317)

Nicoll- the continuous manifestation of the Incarnate Christ(Expositors Greek Testament Volume 5 page 202)

Akin- Much has been made of the fact that John uses the present tense in this Christological confession. Literally the verse reads, “Jesus Christ coming in flesh.” “Coming” is a present active participle. This stands out in remarkable contrast to the affirmation of 1 John 4:2, where the text states that “Jesus Christ has [emphasis mine] come in the flesh.” There the perfect active participle is used. The key, it seems, is to discover what John is affirming. Here in 2 John the emphasis falls on the abiding reality of the incarnation. First John 4:2 teaches that the Christ, the Father’s Son (v. 3), has come in the flesh. Second John affirms that the wedding of deity and humanity has an abiding reality (cf. 1 Tim 2:5). The ontological and essential nature of the incarnation that would receive eloquent expression one thousand years later in the writing of St. Anselm (1033–1109) in his classic Cur Deus Homo is already present in seed form in the tiny and neglected letter of 2 John.

Lenski- In 1 John 4:2 we have ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα, the perfect participle, “as having come in flesh” (incarnate, John 1:14); here we have ἐρχόμενον ἐν σαρκί, “as coming in flesh,” although the participle is present in form it is really timeless.of Christ as "still being manifested." See the note at 1 John 3:5. In 1 John 4:2 we have the manifestation treated as a past fact by the perfect tense, ‎eleeluthota ‎"has come

Robertson- That Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh Ieesoun ‎‎Christon ‎‎erchomenon ‎‎en ‎‎sarki‎. "Jesus Christ coming in the flesh." Present middle participle of ‎erchomai treating the Incarnation as a continuing fact which the Docetic Gnostics flatly denied. In 1 John 4:2 we have ‎eleeluthota ‎(perfect active participle) in this same construction with ‎homologeoo‎, because there the reference is to the definite historical fact of the Incarnation.

hope this helps !!!
 
@Leatherneck0311 its amazing to see how some conflate Jesus is Lord isn't it without understanding its biblical meaning all the while saying no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Spirit and not knowing what it means to confess He is Lord. As if just saying the word Lord has meaning apart from its biblical definition. We saw the same thing going on in the A/C forum on this topic among so-called believers having no clue to its meaning.
 
@Leatherneck0311 its amazing to see how some conflate Jesus is Lord isn't it without understanding its biblical meaning all the while saying no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Spirit and not knowing what it means to confess He is Lord. As if just saying the word Lord has meaning apart from its biblical definition. We saw the same thing going on in the A/C forum on this topic among so-called believers having no clue to its meaning.
Many will say to Jesus we prophesied in your name etc etc,
Mat 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,have we not prophesied in thyname? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thyname done many wonderful works?
And Jesus says:
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Mat 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
yes I dismantled the C's on the other forum with their 1 cor 12:3 claims lol.

Many here have claimed 1 Cor 12:3 can only be said by a born again believer which is false since that chapter is all about the spiritual ( pneumatikos) graces ( charisma ) gifts in the body of Christ.

Secondly below are plenty of unbelievers and demons who confess Jesus is Lord and that He is the Christ- the Son of God as Peter also confessed.

This is what happens when one protects their dogma and doesn't take into consideration the whole counsel of God on a topis and rip out a verse like 1 cor 12:3 and misapply it.

Below we see at the Judgement of all men even unbelievers will confess Jesus is Lord !

Matthew 7:21-23

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

Isaiah 45:23-24
By myself I have sworn,
my mouth has uttered in all integrity
a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow;
by me every tongue will swear.
24 They will say of me, ‘In the Lord alone
are deliverance and strength.’”
All who have raged against him
will come to him and be put to shame


Below we see the demons confess like Peter did that Jesus is the Son of God, the Son of the living God- the Christ/Messiah.

Matthew 8:29

“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”

Matthew 16:16-17
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven

Luke 4:41
And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

Mark 1:24
"What do You want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are--the Holy One of God!"

Mark 4:7
And he shouted in a loud voice, "What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God not to torture me!"

Acts 19:15
Eventually, one of the evil spirits answered them, "Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?


So much for the ones who do not understand the meaning of confessing Jesus is Lord, the Christ, the Son of God


hope this helps !!!
To confess one as their lord is an explicit confession of obedience. Demons are not obedient, nor are those who claim Christ as their lord when they're practicing lawlessness. This is why Christ can say he never knew them. Saying one is your lord doesn't make him your lord. Following his commands is what makes him your lord.
 
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