Jesus or Muhammad

[dingoling.]

I have been approached by a Muslin who was trying to convince me that Jesus wasn't God but was a prophet and to discredit the Bible. In essence the Islamic religion is what I should be following.

But how does one decide which is correct? Do I follow Jesus and his teachings or Muhammad and his teachings?

As I thought about it I realized that if heaven is the goal then I would follow Jesus because his tomb is empty and his body is not on this earth. Muhammad's tomb, however, is not empty; his body decayed and is here on this planet.

So it is a no-brainer we should follow the teachings of the person with the empty tomb, right?

 

[Mr Laurier]

I have been approached by a Muslin who was trying to convince me that Jesus wasn't God but was a prophet and to discredit the Bible. In essence the Islamic religion is what I should be following.

But how does one decide which is correct? Do I follow Jesus and his teachings or Muhammad and his teachings?

You can follow both, since they overlap very extensively

 

[BMS]

You can follow both, since they overlap very extensively

In what ways?

 

[Mr Laurier]

In what ways?

Most.

 

[BMS]

Most.

So who do you say it is, Yeshua God the Son or Isa the prophet of Allah who doesnt have a Son?
We need to make sure which one we are actually talking about.
Remember when Mohammed had his revelations for Islam, he didnt know much about Yeshua.
There may have been 2 men called John Smith living in the same road, no 14 and number 39 and working in the factory in the town. Both married with 2 children. Could be the same person, right?

 

[dingoling.]

You can follow both, since they overlap very extensively

I
They don't overlap extensively. Their teachings are very different. E.g. Jesus taught us to pray to God our father.

 

[sk0rpi0n]

But how does one decide which is correct? Do I follow Jesus and his teachings or Muhammad and his teachings?

Should a Jew follow Jesus and his teachings or Moses and his teachings? How do you decide which one is correct?

 

[dingoling.]

Should a Jew follow Jesus and his teachings or Moses and his teachings? How do you decide which one is correct?

The should follow Jesus and his teachings.

How to decide - the empty tomb.

 

[Mr Laurier]

So who do you say it is, Yeshua God the Son or Isa the prophet of Allah who doesnt have a Son?

Huh?

We need to make sure which one we are actually talking about.

Which one what?

Remember when Mohammed had his revelations for Islam, he didnt know much about Yeshua.

Despite being an active merchant in the largely christian regions of northern Palestine, and having likely studied at a christtian seminary.

There may have been 2 men called John Smith living in the same road, no 14 and number 39 and working in the factory in the town. Both married with 2 children. Could be the same person, right?

Very unlikely. Such a common name. And two clearly distinct addresses

 

[Mr Laurier]

I
They don't overlap extensively.

Except that they do

Their teachings are very different.

Some are. Most are interchangeable, since Mohamed plagiarized directly from the bible

E.g. Jesus taught us to pray to God our father.

And?

 

[dingoling.]

Except that they do

Some are. Most are interchangeable, since Mohamed plagiarized directly from the bible

And?

Calling God father is an abomination to Muslims

 

[Mr Laurier]

Calling God father is an abomination to Muslims

Not quite. But it is considered arrogant and hubristic.

 

[sk0rpi0n]

Calling God father is an abomination to Muslims

That's because the term "Father" applies to humans, not God, the Creator of humans.

Even in the Bible, the term "Father", when used for God is purely metaphorical. The actual reality is that God is the Creator/King/Master of humans. Humans are the slaves of God, not His sons.

 

[dingoling.]

That's because the term "Father" applies to humans, not God, the Creator of humans.

Even in the Bible, the term "Father", when used for God is purely metaphorical. The actual reality is that God is the Creator/King/Master of humans. Humans are the slaves of God, not His sons.

In the Christian faith God is our father; it is not metaphorical.

 

[sk0rpi0n]

In the Christian faith God is our father; it is not metaphorical.

I'm sure you don't believe God is literally your father. So it is metaphorical.

If God is literally the Father, then why are the following figures addressed as "servants"?

Moses (Numbers 12:7, Joshua 1:2)
Israelites (Leviticus 25:55)
Abraham (Psalm 105:6)
David (Psalm 132:10, Ezekiel 34:23)
even Jesus (Isaiah 53:11)

* - The Hebrew word for servant also means "slave".

If we are all God's "children" then why do these figures call themselves servants of God:

David (Psalm 119:125)
James (James 1:1)
Mary (Luke 1:38)
Peter (2 Peter 1:1)

 

[dingoling.]

I'm sure you don't believe God is literally your father. So it is metaphorical.

If God is literally the Father, then why are the following figures addressed as "servants"?

Moses (Numbers 12:7, Joshua 1:2)
Israelites (Leviticus 25:55)
Abraham (Psalm 105:6)
David (Psalm 132:10, Ezekiel 34:23)
even Jesus (Isaiah 53:11)

* - The Hebrew word for servant also means "slave".

If we are all God's "children" then why do these figures call themselves servants of God:

David (Psalm 119:125)
James (James 1:1)
Mary (Luke 1:38)
Peter (2 Peter 1:1)

Yes, I do believe that God is my father. It is not metaphorical.

 

[sk0rpi0n]

Yes, I do believe that God is my father. It is not metaphorical.

Ok. You can believe that.

But why does God call Moses, David etc. as His servants? And not "sons"?

Why do James, Mary, Peter etc. call themselves "servants" of God? And not "sons"?

 

[BMS]

Huh?

Which one what?

Despite being an active merchant in the largely christian regions of northern Palestine, and having likely studied at a christtian seminary.

Very unlikely. Such a common name. And two clearly distinct addresses

So Yeshua is God the Son and living, and has made the way for salvation, and Isa is a dead prophet. If you cant distinguish between the two, you will probably see them as pretty much the same.

 

[sk0rpi0n]

So Yeshua is God the Son and living, and has made the way for salvation, and Isa is a dead prophet

Isa, a dead prophet?
FYI Isa is the Arabic name of Jesus. Islam teaches that Jesus/Isa isn't dead but is alive in heaven and will return during the last days.

 

[Mr Laurier]

So Yeshua is God the Son and living, and has made the way for salvation, and Isa is a dead prophet. If you cant distinguish between the two, you will probably see them as pretty much the same.

Wow. So you have never studied anything about Islam then. Got it.