What has the tomb of Jesus being empty got to do with anything I posted?You can have your own opinion on this but the fact remains and will always remain and it will never change, that the tomb of Jesus was empty.
What has the tomb of Jesus being empty got to do with anything I posted?You can have your own opinion on this but the fact remains and will always remain and it will never change, that the tomb of Jesus was empty.
The phrases "word of God" and "Spirit of God" appear numerous times in the OT. That God is complex and choses to reveal himself by word and by spirit cannot be in doubt (consider the complexity of a human being). That God can be comprised of multiple life forms (word, spirit etc) isn't illogical for one imputed with being the author of life itself. A crude and materialistic analogy would be that God is comprised of parts, but as God is Spirit, there are separate Spirits, with the highest Spirit being the Father.I agree with that. "Son of God" is a Hebrew idiom. It simply means someone is beloved by God, not that he was divine or God in human form.
Many Christians I meet online say Jesus was the literal son of God (or God the son) who was co-eternal with "The Father" etc. which makes zero sense and has zero biblical basis.
From an earlier post:What has the tomb of Jesus being empty got to do with anything I posted?
Yes. Why is that specifically relevant to my post?From an earlier post:
Romans 1:4, "and was declared to be Son of God with power according to the spirit of holiness by resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord".
Jesus was raised from the dead. His tomb is empty.
From an earlier post:
Romans 1:4, "and was declared to be Son of God with power according to the spirit of holiness by resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord".
Jesus is God the son.Yes. Why is that specifically relevant to my post?
Son of God != God the Son (doesn't appear in the bible and an invention of man).Jesus is God the son.
That God is composed of parts has no biblical support.A crude and materialistic analogy would be that God is comprised of parts, but as God is Spirit, there are separate Spirits, with the highest Spirit being the Father.
I said "parts" are a materialistic analogy. But consider this: God is invisible. How can you tell what God consists of?That God is composed of parts has no biblical support.
As for God being a "spirit" it would imply that God is in the category of "spirits" (like the various spirits mentioned in the Bible). God does not fall into a category but is in a category of His own.
What exactly do you mean by "Word of God being co-eternal with the Father".
When Jeremiah says "The word of the LORD came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you..." are those words in blue co-eternal with God? Was Jeremiah eternally known to God?
Correct, and neither does it change the context, no one has seen God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but many saw God the Son.Doesn't change the fact that John declares "no one has EVER seen God".
Jesus is God the Son.If Jesus was/is God then John saw God.
Except that God has 3 persons, Father and Holy Spirit, and also that since John (and others) wrote But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, who were born, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God. And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father’s only son, full of grace and truth. it logically follows that according to John, Jesus was God the Son.Since he said "no one has EVER seen God" then it logically follows that according to John, Jesus was not God.
Jeremiah was foreknown to God, but not eternally present with God, as the Word of God was.
I'm not saying it's irrational for God to communicate/interact with mankind. I'm saying it's irrational to believe God took on a human form and walked on earth, and ate, drank, slept etc.Yet even if God is invisible, it isn't irrational that he would seek to communicate with mankind and interact in the physical realm.
The Islamic God is the God of Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus etc. So Muslims believe God communicated with them and that they comminicated with God via prayer and worship.The problem with the Islamic God is that you've walled him off from public view with high and impenetrable walls. He can't communicate with you and you can't communicate with him (at least you've no evidence of it).
Except that it does as shown, not least "But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, who were born, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God. And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father’s only son, full of grace and truth."That God is composed of parts has no biblical support.
As for God being a "spirit" it would imply that God is in the category of "spirits" (like the various spirits mentioned in the Bible). God does not fall into a category but is in a category of His own.
What exactly do you mean by "Word of God being co-eternal with the Father".
When Jeremiah says "The word of the LORD came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you..." are those words in blue co-eternal with God? Was Jeremiah eternally known to God?
The Judeo-Christian God is the God of Moses, Abraham, and Noah and Jesus is God the Son.The Islamic God is the God of Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus etc. So Muslims believe God communicated with them and that they comminicated with God via prayer and worship.
but many saw God the Son.
The Judeo-Christian God is the God of Moses, Abraham, and Noah and Jesus is God the Son.
God is invisible. How can you tell what God consists of?
The church has declared Jesus as God the son.Son of God != God the Son (doesn't appear in the bible and an invention of man).
So you're more true to Roman Catholicism than to the bible?The church has declared Jesus as God the son.
I don't know what spirit is, except that humans, if they are alive to God, also have spirit.If God is a spirit as you say, then what exactly is even a "spirit"? I haven't seen one, have you? How can you claim God is spirit if you haven't seen a spirit or know what a spirit is?
FYI I'm not claiming to know what God consists of. The Islamic idea of God is that He is unlike any of His creations and that the human mind cannot conceive of God. At best, we can "know" God by learning about His attributes and how He runs the world, how He deals with people and so on.
The words came from the Word of God in heaven which was eternal: i.e. the origin of the words was eternal. When I use Word with a capital letter, I infer the "Logos" a special manifestation of God having life in himself and "one with God."Jeremiah said that the "Word of God" came to him. And the "Word of God" said “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you...". My question is if you think those Words were eternal, before God sent those Words to Jeremiah.
I don't believe in a God in human form. Jesus was a human whose soul originated in heaven, not earth, by a process of spiritual transposition. The souls of humans are created. The soul of Christ wasn't.I'm not saying it's irrational for God to communicate/interact with mankind. I'm saying it's irrational to believe God took on a human form and walked on earth, and ate, drank, slept etc.
Neither Moses, Abraham Noah nor Jesus were required to obey Islamic / Sharia law, nor were they beholden to Mahomet's interpretation of things. Mahomet made God unknowable except by knowing him, which is essentially to cast Mahomet as "The (true) Son of God."The Islamic God is the God of Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus etc. So Muslims believe God communicated with them and that they comminicated with God via prayer and worship.
It is through the Catholic church that we know what Scripture is.So you're more true to Roman Catholicism than to the bible?