Jesus said, this is the work of God, that you believe……

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ReverendRV said:
He doesn't believe Jesus is a genetic Male now...

In other words, he doesn't believe the Bible when it says Jesus is an Anthropos Man. He doesn't believe Jesus is made of XY Chromosomes like you are...
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Correct his false christ morphed into a spirit creature like in the Sci- Fi movies.
 
preacher4truth

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ReverendRV said:
He doesn't believe Jesus is a genetic Male now...
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civic said:
Correct his false christ morphed into a spirit creature like in the Sci- Fi movies.
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Manfred

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Sethproton said:
It is still fruit, as opposed to a gift. Do you understand the difference brween fruit and gift?
When you talk about a person developing fruit, the picture is a tree. Fruit does not suddenly appear on a tree and nor does a person by their own ability develope fruit, it is the work of the Spirit over time. Anyone claiming to immediate;y have mature fruit the day they get saved is self-deceived
Additionallu it is the Spirit Himself that is the gift. immediately, the fruit developes once He is present
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The picture is not a tree that has to still bear fruit.
You make up nonsense like this and claim other people (Over a 100) teach it.

There is a difference between being sanctified, which is a life long journey with God and displaying the fruit of the Spirit.

You should have known this.
But you are welcome to link us all, to any well known teacher (should be easy as you have heard over 100 teachers teach it) who teaches fruit of the Spirit are like fruit on a tree that you develop over a long period of time....

When walking in the Spirit, as Paul teaches the fruit of the Spirit is displayed.
When walking in the flesh, you display the fruit of your flesh.

I do understand if this Biblical teaching is to hard for you to comprehend.
14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
 
ReverendRV

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Sethproton said:
Again, Civic, not sure why you want to misrepresent me, but all I have ever said on that topic is the Jesus was always God
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The misrepresenting is to say something like, 'But I say Jesus has always been God'; when you know the dispute is that you say Jesus is not a Man now. You can only be trying to fool a Lurker; not Civic...
 
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Manfred said:
The picture is not a tree that has to still bear fruit.
You make up nonsense like this and claim other people (Over a 100) teach it.

There is a difference between being sanctified, which is a life long journey with God and displaying the fruit of the Spirit.

You should have known this.
But you are welcome to link us all, to any well known teacher (should be easy as you have heard over 100 teachers teach it) who teaches fruit of the Spirit are like fruit on a tree that you develop over a long period of time....

When walking in the Spirit, as Paul teaches the fruit of the Spirit is displayed.
When walking in the flesh, you display the fruit of your flesh.

I do understand if this Biblical teaching is to hard for you to comprehend.
14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
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Amen and he is a natural man hence he rejects biblical truth
 
Theo1689

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Manfred said:
The picture is not a tree that has to still bear fruit.
You make up nonsense like this and claim other people (Over a 100) teach it.

There is a difference between being sanctified, which is a life long journey with God and displaying the fruit of the Spirit.

You should have known this.
But you are welcome to link us all, to any well known teacher (should be easy as you have heard over 100 teachers teach it) who teaches fruit of the Spirit are like fruit on a tree that you develop over a long period of time....
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Go back and look at his wording.
He never said 100 teachers teach it.
He said 100 teachers NEVER taught the opposite.
He's basically making an argument from silence.

The issue probably never came up.
 
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Manfred said:
The picture is not a tree that has to still bear fruit.
You make up nonsense like this and claim other people (Over a 100) teach it.

There is a difference between being sanctified, which is a life long journey with God and displaying the fruit of the Spirit.

You should have known this.
But you are welcome to link us all, to any well known teacher (should be easy as you have heard over 100 teachers teach it) who teaches fruit of the Spirit are like fruit on a tree that you develop over a long period of time....

When walking in the Spirit, as Paul teaches the fruit of the Spirit is displayed.
When walking in the flesh, you display the fruit of your flesh.

I do understand if this Biblical teaching is to hard for you to comprehend.
14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
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fact remains. Fruit is not immediate, it takes time. Jesus and Paul use the concept of fruit for a reason. If your doctrine denies the truth about fruit, your doctrine is wrong
 
Manfred

Manfred

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Sethproton said:
fact remains. Fruit is not immediate, it takes time. Jesus and Paul use the concept of fruit for a reason. If your doctrine denies the truth about fruit, your doctrine is wrong
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Clearly you are ignorant.
The Spirit does not develop fruit. The fruit that the Spirit gas is already fully formed without your help.

But thank you for acknowledging in your own way that you were never born again.
All who are born again immediately has overwhelming love, joy, peace, patience, kindness etc.

Admitting that you have to develop these things over a long period of time, shows the lack of the Spirit in your life.
 
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Manfred said:
Clearly you are ignorant.
The Spirit does not develop fruit. The fruit that the Spirit gas is already fully formed without your help.

But thank you for acknowledging in your own way that you were never born again.
All who are born again immediately has overwhelming love, joy, peace, patience, kindness etc.

Admitting that you have to develop these things over a long period of time, shows the lack of the Spirit in your life.
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Where do you read that fruit arrives fully formed? Surely you can support your position instead of just making personal insults?
Scripture please? Showing that fruit does not develope,
 
Manfred

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Sethproton said:
Where do you read that fruit arrives fully formed? Surely you can support your position instead of just making personal insults?
Scripture please? Showing that fruit does not develope,
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You must be daft or something.
The fruit belongs to.... the Spirit, and not YOU. Anything developed from self, is not Spiritual is it natural.
It is called fruit of the Spirit and not fruit developed my man.

The Spirit does not develop fruit.
Either you have the Spirit or you are barren. Either you walk in the Spirit or in the flesh.

And still you show that you never received the Spirit as you want to develop something in your flesh that is supposed to be spiritual.
All true believers I know displayed all the fruit of the Spirit directly after conversion.

17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law

Seems like you think you have to develop walking in the Spirit and that you think you remain in the flesh and do all those fleshy things while developing self generated and developed fruit of man!

So show me a scripture or point me to a well known teacher that teaches that you develop the fruit of the Spirit.

The Spirit of God is no so weak that He cannot work in and through those who believe and belong to Him.

Read your Bible.
Do you think people like Philip or Stephen or Apollos had to first develop fruit...
Ludicrous, these guys were filled with the Spirit of God and He used them mightily. Claiming from silence that they did not display the fruit of the Spirit is a horrendous falsehood.

You truly are a false teacher and you expose yourself over and over again.
 
Manfred

Manfred

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Sethproton said:
I already did back up the metaphor. I talked about how fruit develops and that it does not suddenly appear on a plant,
But if some missed it. Fruit trees need nutrients, water, sun and time to produce fruit.
Even the poorest of teachers could construct a sermon around that
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Can you not understand that the fruit belongs to the Spirit and not to the man.

You want to exalt man so much, that you want to give him the credit for something that is due God only.
The fruit of the Spirit are fully matured fruit of love, peace, joy etc. And these mature fruit belong to Him and not you.

The Bible teaches us that we have to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh. When it is not you oh man who is operating but God operating through you, what fruit is displayed....
It is obvious to any rational thinker that the fruit on display would be that of God and not that of man who tries to develop his own fruit.

Your whole theology is so man centered that you are not even able to glorify God for His fruit. You are supposed to be walking in the Spirit, but you cannot Seth. You are so into self and flesh and achieving and bickering you cannot even see that when you let go of self, then God can move.

You and your self will are standing in the way of God moving in your life.
 
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Manfred said:
Can you not understand that the fruit belongs to the Spirit and not to the man.

You want to exalt man so much, that you want to give him the credit for something that is due God only.
The fruit of the Spirit are fully matured fruit of love, peace, joy etc. And these mature fruit belong to Him and not you.

The Bible teaches us that we have to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh. When it is not you oh man who is operating but God operating through you, what fruit is displayed....
It is obvious to any rational thinker that the fruit on display would be that of God and not that of man who tries to develop his own fruit.

Your whole theology is so man centered that you are not even able to glorify God for His fruit. You are supposed to be walking in the Spirit, but you cannot Seth. You are so into self and flesh and achieving and bickering you cannot even see that when you let go of self, then God can move.

You and your self will are standing in the way of God moving in your life.
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Amen
 
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Manfred said:
Clearly you are ignorant.
The Spirit does not develop fruit. The fruit that the Spirit gas is already fully formed without your help.

But thank you for acknowledging in your own way that you were never born again.
All who are born again immediately has overwhelming love, joy, peace, patience, kindness etc.

Admitting that you have to develop these things over a long period of time, shows the lack of the Spirit in your life.
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Yes he doesn't understand a miracle is instantaneous. The fruit occurs when the spirit arrives in the man at the new birth. Its a package deal. The Spirit=fruit.
 
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Manfred said:
Can you not understand that the fruit belongs to the Spirit and not to the man.

You want to exalt man so much, that you want to give him the credit for something that is due God only.
The fruit of the Spirit are fully matured fruit of love, peace, joy etc. And these mature fruit belong to Him and not you.

The Bible teaches us that we have to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh. When it is not you oh man who is operating but God operating through you, what fruit is displayed....
It is obvious to any rational thinker that the fruit on display would be that of God and not that of man who tries to develop his own fruit.

Your whole theology is so man centered that you are not even able to glorify God for His fruit. You are supposed to be walking in the Spirit, but you cannot Seth. You are so into self and flesh and achieving and bickering you cannot even see that when you let go of self, then God can move.

You and your self will are standing in the way of God moving in your life.
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Do you really think that Paul wrote illogically? Or that he wrote in some mysterious way that only Calvinists can discern.
Again, fruit takes time.
 
Manfred

Manfred

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Sethproton said:
Do you really think that Paul wrote illogically? Or that he wrote in some mysterious way that only Calvinists can discern.
Again, fruit takes time.
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And your ignorance is astounding.

You are not the Spirit of God.
The Spirit of God does not develop fruit. His fruit are fully developed.

It is not called the fruit of man.....

It is now clear that rather than engaging what I actually wrote, you are just ignoring it.

It turns out after all that you are really nothing more than a worthless, lowly internet troll.
 
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