Jesus said, this is the work of God, that you believe……

Sethproton

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And your ignorance is astounding.

You are not the Spirit of God.
The Spirit of God does not develop fruit. His fruit are fully developed.

It is not called the fruit of man.....

It is now clear that rather than engaging what I actually wrote, you are just ignoring it.

It turns out after all that you are really nothing more than a worthless, lowly internet troll.
ok. If all you are interested it is sarcastic deaming remarks, that's your call. I am here to discuss scripture. If you ever want to, I will be glad to discuss with you
 

Sethproton

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Yes he doesn't understand a miracle is instantaneous. The fruit occurs when the spirit arrives in the man at the new birth. Its a package deal. The Spirit=fruit.
the Spirit does not equal fruit. That is a meaningless statement.
The Spirit produces fruit in a believer's life over time.
Paul and Jesus use the metaphor of fruit. If you refuse to accept their metaphors then you refuse to accept what they teach
 

Manfred

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ok. If all you are interested it is sarcastic deaming remarks, that's your call. I am here to discuss scripture. If you ever want to, I will be glad to discuss with you
No you are not.
You are only here as a Troll, and you have proven it.

Discuss through scripture that the fruit of the Spirit is actually the fruit of man that has to be developed over time.

You have no leg to stand on, and all posters A and C have disagreed with you, yet you think you have truth on your side.
Your behavior is deplorable.
 

Sethproton

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No you are not.
You are only here as a Troll, and you have proven it.

Discuss through scripture that the fruit of the Spirit is actually the fruit of man that has to be developed over time.

You have no leg to stand on, and all posters A and C have disagreed with you, yet you think you have truth on your side.
Your behavior is deplorable.
Since I never said it was the fruit of man, I wonder why you bring that up.
It is called the fruit of the Spirit, not the fruit of man.
But it is called a fruit, which must grow and mature
 

Manfred

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Since I never said it was the fruit of man, I wonder why you bring that up.
It is called the fruit of the Spirit, not the fruit of man.
But it is called a fruit, which must grow and mature
Again?

It is not the fruit of man that has to be developed by man.

Why not go to the passage of scripture and read the whole chapter for understanding (Galatians 5)
You either walk in the flesh or in the Spirit.
 

Chalcedon

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the Spirit does not equal fruit. That is a meaningless statement.
The Spirit produces fruit in a believer's life over time.
Paul and Jesus use the metaphor of fruit. If you refuse to accept their metaphors then you refuse to accept what they teach
Spirit equals fruit and no spirit equals no fruit. There is not time element .

Where does the bible say the fruit of the spirit takes TIME ?

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Theo1689

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ok. If all you are interested it is sarcastic deaming remarks,

"deaming" remarks?

that's your call. I am here to discuss scripture.

No, you're not.

You have NEVER provided "Scripture" to prove that receiving Christ is something we "choose" (and no, John 1:12 doesn't mention anything about "choosing"). You simply ASSUME it.

You have NEVER provided "Scripture" to show that fruits of the spirit are delayed, to only appear after "time".
 

Sethproton

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Spirit equals fruit and no spirit equals no fruit. There is not time element .

Where does the bible say the fruit of the spirit takes TIME ?

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why does the Bible need to instruct you that fruit takes time, i doubt you would listen.
Fruit is harvested in the Bible, but not till it matures.
Why do Jesus and Paul use the metaphor of fruit if they mean something that is instant?
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
you need scripture to teach you that fruit grows and matures?

No, I need Scripture to teach me your bogus claim that "fruits of the Spirit" take time to grow.

You think the Spirit is a newborn or something?

Why did Paul and Jesus use the fruit metaphor? Why did Jesus say "abide" if fruit is instant?

So your bogus theology is based on rationalizations and assumptions, rather than Scripture. Thank you for the admission.
 

Chalcedon

Well-known member
why does the Bible need to instruct you that fruit takes time, i doubt you would listen.
Fruit is harvested in the Bible, but not till it matures.
Why do Jesus and Paul use the metaphor of fruit if they mean something that is instant?
We are talking about SPIRITUAL FRUIT that comes from the SPIRIT.

Does the Holy Spirit need time for Maturity ?

How long does a miracle take when Jesus healed anyone ?

Is the new birth a miracle ?
Is being born again a miracle ?
Is salvation a miracle ?
Is Eternal Life a miracle ?

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ReverendRV

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We are talking about SPIRITUAL FRUIT that comes from the SPIRIT.

Does the Holy Spirit need time for Maturity ?

How long does a miracle take when Jesus healed anyone ?

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How long does he have to wait after Faith, before anyone can see his Fruit?
 

Sethproton

Well-known member
No, I need Scripture to teach me your bogus claim that "fruits of the Spirit" take time to grow.

You think the Spirit is a newborn or something?



So your bogus theology is based on rationalizations and assumptions, rather than Scripture. Thank you for the admission.
If you need scripture to teach you that fruit takes time to develope, you are never going to be convinced.
Jesus and Paul used metaphors of the real world to teach
Deny real world truth and you deny what they teach
 

Theo1689

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If you need scripture to teach you that fruit takes time to develope, you are never going to be convinced.

Correct, because unlike you, I hold to "sola Scriptura".
But thank you for admitting that you REJECT sola Scriptura.
That's why your theology is so heretical.

Jesus and Paul used metaphors of the real world to teach
Deny real world truth and you deny what they teach

You deny Jesus and Paul all the time.
 

Sethproton

Well-known member
Correct, because unlike you, I hold to "sola Scriptura".
But thank you for admitting that you REJECT sola Scriptura.
That's why your theology is so heretical.



You deny Jesus and Paul all the time.
your position on this is unreasonable.
To deny that Jesus taught using the common understanding of nature is fallacious.
 
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