Chalcedon
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I’m asking you since it’s your claim not mineSilly post. You already know what greek word.
I’m asking you since it’s your claim not mineSilly post. You already know what greek word.
If the verbs are present tense, active voice, then there was a time, logically, that they began hearing and following; thus there was point when they weren’t hearing and following. Nobody always hears and follows!It does not say the sheep already heard His voice Doug. This would also imply the sheep were once goats. It does not say that anywhere either.
What was the intent of the atonement Doug? To save or simply make salvation possible?
His blood is sufficient to save everyone; that not all are saved does not diminish the power of his blood. I find abhorrent that God would decisively and deliberately choose the large majority of humans to suffer Hell before the foundation of the world!Did Christ atone for the lost in hell? I find that position abhorrent.
Psalm 62:8 my brother! Prayers for you and your family as well, I know what it's like to be down!My doctor is sending me to the Hospital because now my foot has Staph mrsr. Intervenius antibiotics all weekend, then set up at home for 6-8 week pic line...
Since he told me that, I feel wore out physically. I'm beginning to wonder if my Day is coming soon...
Sure. When Christ called His sheep. He does not call goats.If the verbs are present tense, active voice, then there was a time, logically, that they began hearing and following; thus there was point when they weren’t hearing and following. Nobody always hears and follows!
The intent of the atonement was to reconcile the world to God (2Cor 5:19, Eph 2:16) by the purging of sin, and thus, turning aside the wrath of God, allowing God's love to be extended to the world. Thus, it would both make possible and effect the salvation of those who believe.
His blood is sufficient to save everyone; that not all are saved does not diminish the power of his blood. I find abhorrent that God would decisively and deliberately choose the large majority of humans to suffer Hell before the foundation of the world!
Doug
If you do not know the origin of these 4 ideas then you do not know the Bible very well.
But to other posters, If you trully do not know where these 4 ideas are taught, I am happy to discuss each idea and the scriptures the ideas are derived from.
Trust comes from knowing truths about God and seeing that He is trustworthy.
When we speak specifically of the use of the Greek word that means to entrust ourselves to Jesus, that is our decision.
If you are speaking about the faith to know that God exists, that is a gift from God. Without it, we would know nothing about Him and have no conviction about our need for Him. But that faith does not save, it enlightens and provokes us.
How do you do faith? That is a simple question that has been answered here many times.
The Greek word can mean "to entrust yourself to" When you believe in Jesus, you are entrusting yourself to Him.
That is what you must "do" to be saved, trust Jesus.
Actually in those 4 statements I absolutely did address where each use of the word, each type of faith originates.
Did you read them?
One reason why faith is a gift in one place and not in another is because of each instance being a noun or a verb.
A noun can be a gift, a verb is something we do. Rules of grammar
Oh no! "Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.”My doctor is sending me to the Hospital because now my foot has Staph mrsr. Intervenius antibiotics all weekend, then set up at home for 6-8 week pic line...
Since he told me that, I feel wore out physically. I'm beginning to wonder if my Day is coming soon...
I have given you and Civic those answers many times. You could supply them yourself now if you were inclined.<Chuckle>
More stupid game playing by you.
When others don't give Scripture, you throw a hissy-fit and criticize them for not providing Scriptures. But if THEY responded to YOU with, "If you don't know the origin of my claim then you do not know the Bible very well", you wouldn't accept that bankrupt excuse at all.
But you expect us to accept it when YOU don't have Scripture for your bogus claims.
No, you're not.
Because if you were, you would have GIVEN them by now, instead of offering bankrupt promises.
I have given you and Civic those answers many times. You could supply them yourself now if you were inclined.
But again, it seems that other posters already know where these ideas come from or for some reason are not asking to see.
Still I will gladly show any poster who is interested
Actually you have not and made it up. If it’s true then link us to one of your several thousand posts that backs up your false claims .I have given you and Civic those answers many times. You could supply them yourself now if you were inclined.
But again, it seems that other posters already know where these ideas come from or for some reason are not asking to see.
Still I will gladly show any poster who is interested
No. two of you, Theo and Civic ask to have me prove what I say by addressing scriptures. You two have both been shown many times.Bankrupt excuse.
WE have shown you the citations for what WE believe, but you STILL ask us to show them over and over again. Nothing but double standards on your part.
And no, I can't "supply them [my]self", since such passages don't exist, and even if they did, I don't save your posts (as another poster pointed out as well).
Wow.... You probably actually believe that!
No, the likely reason others don't ask is because they know you too well, and they know better than to waste their time because they know you're never going to answer.
Case in point.... You've had PLENTY of opportunities to provide them by now, and you still refuse to.
Another false claim by you.
So far, THREE people have asked you to provide them.
Yet you REFUSE to do so, and you insult them by falsely accusing them of being ignorant of the Bible.
My dear friend Tibias, I have nothing but respect for you. And I am grateful for our civil discussion we have had, and thank you for that. But I beg to differ. Let's start with the crucial question asked to Jesus by the Jews. 24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” And interesting, this same question is raised again at Jesus trial, and the high priest will regard Jesus' answer as blasphemy. Now this question raises some very pertinent questions. Didn't God promise to send a Messiah (Promised Seed) to redeem his people? Wasn't the Law the given to God's people as a guardian to always point them to the coming Messiah because of their sins, and a need for a Savior? Did not Jesus perform signs and miracles, so that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled?All this is, is an indicative statement about those who had already believed! The verbs are all present, indicative, active, not passive, meaning that the sheep are acting of their own accord for their own benefit. There is nothing to imply that there are a select group of people who alone are chosen!
And your regular pattern is no citations , no scripture , no references , no exegesis .No. two of you, Theo and Civic ask to have me prove what I say by addressing scriptures. You two have both been shown many times.
But like I said if there is someone who does not know where those four ideas come from. I will show that poster and then you and Civic can jump in and admit you knew all along what I was talking about.
Your regular pattern here.
No. two of you, Theo and Civic ask to have me prove what I say by addressing scriptures. You two have both been shown many times.
But like I said if there is someone who does not know where those four ideas come from. I will show that poster and then you and Civic can jump in and admit you knew all along what I was talking about.
Your regular pattern here.
Your last line betrays you. You are admitting that I have shown scripture and that you disagree with me as to what they teachThat's simply false.
That's nothing but an excuse to continue claiming you have Scripture, while refusing to actually cite it (which would be trivially simple, if you had any).
It's as worthless as, "the cheque is in the mail. TRUST me."
And no matter who asks you to show the Scriptures, you will make a bankrupt excuse like "You already know the Scriptures I mean", or "You're not really interested in them", to continue to avoid admitting you have ZERO Scriptures.
I fully believe you THINK you have Scriptures, but I also think you know very well that if you cite them, we can easily show they DON'T support your bogus claims. That's why you refuse to show them, so they can't examined.
Your last line betrays you. You are admitting that I have shown scripture and that you disagree with me as to what they teach
Only someone like you would come to an erroneous conclusion like that from his words. It’s much the same way you TWIST Gods words in scripture to form your erroneous ideas.Your last line betrays you.