JESUS, "THE ECHAD"

[101G]

to all who follow this topic,

since we're getting excuse after excuse about translations, I would like for many to submit their translation, if not the KJV on the following scriptures, and lets put this translation error behind us.

#1. Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

#2. Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

#3. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

#4. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

that's all for right now.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Anthony]

Father, Son, Holy Spirit is The NAME(NOT names)of God.

What has the response to do with the FACT the voice from heaven was that of The FATHER????

I'm not going to respond to those who continuously reject the truth.

It's common sense that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are titles and not names but still you insist.

The singular Name is now Yeshua.

Mat 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Just go to the book of Acts and see on Whose Name the disciples baptized - that will give you the answer.

Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

As our brother said, it was a Voice not that literally Father spoke.

If you may believe it's The same Person Who spoke as The Father in OT Whom we now know as The Son in NT.

 

[johnny guitar]

I'm not going to respond to those who continuously reject the truth.

It's common sense that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are titles and not names but still you insist.

The singular Name is now Yeshua.

Mat 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Just go to the book of Acts and see on Whose Name the disciples baptized - that will give you the answer.

Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

As our brother said, it was a Voice not that literally Father spoke.

If you may believe it's The same Person Who spoke as The Father in OT Whom we now know as The Son in NT.

The voice of The Father.

 

[101G]

The voice of The Father.

@Anthony, Good morning, this a classic example, I believe, of a "DELUSION" from God, 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

this is the work of the devil, that's is to give "FEAR" the fear of being in ERROR. when one is so far gone into a delusion, it's worest than a cult, for the definition of DELUSION is, an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

that's not 101G's definition.

when the bible clearly say's "A" Voice, man, when they ASSUME it to say it's the Fathers voice, then they are delusional for sure, for common sense should have kicked in by now.

see, either they are A. embarrassed, or as the bible say "Ashame", because they did not RIGHTLY DIVIDE the Word of TRUTH Correctly, now being caught in a lie. instead of repenting and moving on, their pride get in the way, which leads to destruction, but instead they keep alive their LIE, which lead them into ... B. the DELUSION.

if someone would have told me just 10 years ago, that smart educated people would be fooled by a simple verse as this, I would have laugh them out of the building. well I'm not laughing anymore.

from what I been hearing and seeing in some of these topic, ... as said it's no laughing matter. it's just down out right a shame to hear christian speak in such a manner of ignorance.

but I pray that God have mercy on all of us.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Anthony]

@Anthony, Good morning, this a classic example, I believe, of a "DELUSION" from God, 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

this is the work of the devil, that's is to give "FEAR" the fear of being in ERROR. when one is so far gone into a delusion, it's worest than a cult, for the definition of DELUSION is, an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

that's not 101G's definition.

when the bible clearly say's "A" Voice, man, when they ASSUME it to say it's the Fathers voice, then they are delusional for sure, for common sense should have kicked in by now.

see, either they are A. embarrassed, or as the bible say "Ashame", because they did not RIGHTLY DIVIDE the Word of TRUTH Correctly, now being caught in a lie. instead of repenting and moving on, their pride get in the way, which leads to destruction, but instead they keep alive their LIE, which lead them into ... B. the DELUSION.

if someone would have told me just 10 years ago, that smart educated people would be fooled by a simple verse as this, I would have laugh them out of the building. well I'm not laughing anymore.

from what I been hearing and seeing in some of these topic, ... as said it's no laughing matter. it's just down out right a shame to hear christian speak in such a manner of ignorance.

but I pray that God have mercy on all of us.

PICJAG, 101G.

Yes true. Mostly such people have a backing from seniors holding onto this false doctrine and in order to please them post in a single sentence.

 

[101G]

Ingorance is no longer an option any more.

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"

Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."

Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

NO MORE EXCUSES.

the TRUE and ONLY LIVING GOD, said by his holy apostle, Paul, "WE CAN KNOW .... the TRUTH" about his A. invisibility. B. eternal power. and C. his GODHEAD. which we are now discussing.

all those excuses are no more nessary. example, "The trinity is hard to explain" yes, a false doctrine is hard to explain, and hard to defend. why not just tell the truth? it's so much easy to defend, and explain. because one of the characteristics of the TRUTH is this, it has a FOUNDATION one can build on. and that Foundation is JESUS Christ, God almighty himself in flesh.

and this Foundation is made clear in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

we cannot stress this enough, definition #2. is the KEY to understanding the TRUE and ONLY LIVING God, (the Spirit, the HOLY SPIRIT), the H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) as the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') in this "ECHAD". and this ECHAD of God is clearly seen, starting at Genesis 1:1, Ending at John 1:1, and in amalgamation at Revelation 1:1. these are the THREE DISPENSATATION , (NOT THREE PERSONS), but the three dispensation of God in his "ECHAD". this is where many are fooled at. yes, three dispensation, but of the same one person in the ECHAD, and not three separate persons of God in one nature.

one person, SAME GOD, only in an ECHAD....... BINGO. this ECHAD of GOD will answer all, and any bible questions the Christian has. the hard ones, or the easy ones. the bible explain itself clear as day. only if one READ with the Holy Ghost as Guide.

as said, get the beginning RIGHT, and one will END Right.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[101G]

It has been asked to show one's doctrine clearly. and not be intoxicated with false beliefs.

well again, let us be clear. the majority of christian believers that it is THREE PERSONS, in the GODHEAD, separate and distinct PERSON(S). well ERROR, for he, whom many put Last, (Father, son, and the Holy Spirit), he, the Holy Spirit is acutally the First and the Last. for he, The Holy Spirit, God is a Spirit, (John 4:24a), the ONLY "Spirit", who has ETERNAL"LIFE", JESUS, scripture, John 1:4 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men." JESUS as the H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh is the Only Person in the Godhead, in the ECHAD. this is why he is the "ECHAD", or the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') of himself in flesh.

the OT always refere to God as "I" or ME, or in second person or third, as "he", "him". but in the ECHAD as "us", or "our".

REMEMBER, God is the H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh, but in plural of the ECHAD he is the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem'), in the titles "Father"/Ordinal First, OT, and "Son"/Ordinal Last, NT.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[101G]

The ECHAD vs the Trinity

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

ONE "GOD", not three persons as ONE GOD. for the misunderstanding come in theverse at Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

God said let "us" make man in "our" image. this misunderstanding of the scriptures here, have set man on the road to destruction. for the proverb states, Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

and that way seem right by man in misunderstanding the term "ONE" here in Deuteronomy 6:4 above. and not only there, but in the very next verse, Genesis 1:27 clearly show the mistake, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

this is the sticking point. US and OUR indicate a plurality of God in Genesis 1:26, but in the very next verse 27, God is a singularity, of himself, HIS, and HE. which is confirmed by the Lord Jesus in Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," so God as "HE" is confirmed by the Lord Jesus himself who is God in Flesh, and who cannot LIE.

so God is a "HE" at Genesis 1:1 and 1:26 & 27. but the question remains why did God say "US and OUR" in verse 26? the answer as said lay within the definition of "ONE" in Deuteronomy 6:4, and why God is the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym at all when he is the H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) the ONE TRUE GOD.

well the answer is in the term "ONE" at Deuteronomy 6:4, which is again, H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

definition #2, clearly establish the ONE God, H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) as the ECHAD, of HIS -OWN -SELF as the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') of the OT and the NT. THIS IS CLEARLY SEEN IN THE TERMS "FIRST", AND "LAST" AS ORDINAL NUMBERS DESIGNATIONS. the difference in Ordinal Numbers and Cardinal numbers is this, Cardinal numbers tell 'how many' of something, they show quantity. Ordinal numbers tell the order of how things are set, they show the position or the rank of something.

HOLD IT, Ordinal Numbers show the "POSITION", or the "RANK" of something? well lets see it, RIGHT at the Beginning in Genesis 1:1 Listen carefully at the definition of "BEGINNING: in Genesis 1:1.

Beginning: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

notice definition #1. the First, but notice the "PLACE", and "RANK". what do Ordinal Numbers do? they show the position or the rank of something. well the term BEGINNING in Genesis 1:1 clearly show "place", the "position", and "rank".

this certify what the Lord Jesus said in Matthews 19:4 that "HE" made them male and female. and it certify the "ONE" as the "he", for the gospel of Mark tells us the "he" in Matthews 19:4 is "GOD", for the Gospel here in Mark record the same conversation that is recorded in Matthews, listen, Mark 10:5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept."
Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."
BINGO, so the "he" a single person of the ECHAD is GOD himself who made man male and female.

so by understanding the term "ONE" in Deuteronomy 6:4 and the term "beginning" in Genesis 1:1 we now KNOW, without a doubt, that there was only ONE PERSON at Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:26. we know this by clearly understanding the terms correctly, "ONE", and "BEGINNING".
and with the Lord Jesus, "WHO CANNOT LIE" certify that GOD in Genesis is the "he".

so why OUR and US are used. again the ECHAD of the LAST, which is the end of Man, and the beginning of the NEW MAN, supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

here, "LAST" is the Greek word, G2078 ἔσχατος eschatos (es'-cha-tos) adj.
farthest, final (of place or time).
[a superlative probably from G2192 (in the sense of contiguity)]
KJV: ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost
Root(s): G2192

there it is farthest, final (of place or time). again PLACE and TIME, just as in BEGINNING, H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') above.

the TIME, the fullness of time, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"

see, the son did not come until the "FULNESS" of time which is the END", by the way which is one of the Lord Jesus titles. the "Beginning, and the "END"

the Place or Time was to COME, supportive Scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." BINGO, this is why God said "US" and "OUR" in Genesis 1:26 WHY for that "IMAGE" was to Come. for God who is Spirit, MANIFESTED in Flesh which "Figure" means.... "IMAGE". our IMAGE was to Come.

so the ECHAD of God is in Ordinal numbers in DESIGNATIONS of Time, Place, Order, and Rank.

PLACE: a particular position or point in space. Father, CREATOR and MAKER of all things PLACE OT. Son, REDEEMER and SAVIOUR, of all things, PLACE NT.

RANK: a position in the hierarchy, LORD, OT. Lord, NT

TIME: Beginning, OT and END, NT

ORDER: First, OT and Last, NT.

all of this is KNOWN, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" AMEN.

PICJAG, 101G.

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[101G]

"The Arm of God"

The Correcting Scripture: John 8:28 "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things”.

As we know that the Man, the Lord Jesus, the Ordinal Last, had a diversified "spirit", and was anointed by his, "Spirit", the Ordinal First in designation. so what's the difference in "spirit", small case “s” vs "Spirit", capital, "S" in Spirit. and what's the difference, in "Lord", and, "LORD". simple answer, POWER, (G1411, dunamis, MIGHT and, G1849, exousia), authority. Lets look at these two sets of words. just like in math, fractions are reduce to its simplest form. so shall we do the same with these words. scriptures. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me”.

Who, or what is the Arm of God?. the term right hand, or arm of God, is a anthropomorphism. meaning the attribution of human form or behavior given to a deity to understand its actions, here it means in Power, (the "authority” and the “ability”, or “might”, to do something). definitions of these word can be found in most bible dictionary, for example Vines gives a good definition of “POWER”. most people misunderstand this word anthropomorphism and take it literal. but it is a figurative term. we will see this in scriptural context as given above in Isaiah 63:5. and here in Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?. 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not". so we can see that the arm of the LORD will be flesh and blood, as a human, or in LIKENESS of a man, (HIS OWN ARM IS REVEALED, he himself in flesh). for the LORD said in Isaiah 42:13 "The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies". if one will notice, the scripture, said,"go forth AS a MAN". but be in the “likeness” as a man. so being as a man God was in flesh and blood. so lets understand the Arm of God, or this flesh and blood man, who is GOD. and in reference to A. do the WILL of the Spirit, while in flesh.

The arm of flesh vs The Arm of the LORD, “authority”​

2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him: 8 With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah".

one of the failing prompts of the Unitarians, JW belief, and others is this. they say, "Jesus is not God", and one of there excuses, "he could do nothing of himself", John 8:28 "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things”. as the "the ARM of God", he was not authorized to act alone. this is clear as with the Assyrian army. no army act alone, or on their own power. not even our, the American Army. it do not just get up and go to war with another country without authorization from the commander in chief, or congress. just as my own arm don't wave, or move, unless I authorized it to wave, or move, (THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ONLY). the head gives direction to the body. this is (why our Lord and saviour is the example…. we do nothing on our own). this is explained in the understanding of the use of POWERS, the G1411 dunamis, and the G1849 exousia. just as the Army, or any army can do nothing of their own, so do the Lord Jesus, he don't act alone, as the ECHAD of himself in flesh. hence one of the reason why he was in G2758 keno, (to abase, neutralize, or make of none effect). but at his baptism he was authorized with G1849 exousia to act in the NAME or the POWER of God, HE the Spirit, (Remember John 3:13 while on EARTH in FLESH, he was in HEAVEN at the same TIME") "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.", to do his will, yes his own will. and it is HIS “Spirit”, who doth the work. as to forgive sin, heal the sick, raise the dead, and so on. he is our example of how the G1849 exousia works. and that's why we, as 1 John 3:2a states, "now we're the Sons of God". Just as the Lord Jesus did, listen, John 17:4 "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do." hold it I... have finish the WORK?, but I thought many said, "Jesus could not do anything of himself?". well I put and end to that nonesense. he, as well as us are now under obedience and we now are called the sons of God ... now, also. because we, not him, but we was not under his obedience before, (we was violators of his will, sinners). by default we was the son of the evil one. our Lord Jesus having the NATURE, (see Phil 2:5) of God. yes, HAVING, as stated in the bible, BEING IN THE FORM of God, having his nature, he took on our humanity. so that as the "KINSMAN" redeemer in flesh and blood, he then could give that BLOOD, which is the LIFE of the flesh, (see Lev 17:11), and redeem man, (US), from sin. this is the "OBJECTIVE" of God, his concrete plan of salvation, which is his will. and “being in that flesh, (the ARM of FLESH,empowed, he carried out his plan of salvation for Man. again his "OWN" arm "the ARM of FLEH, brought salvation unto him, (see Isaiah 63:5 again). so that answers the “if Christ is God, how come he could do nothing of himself). because as the example, God came in Flesh as the "ARMY, or the POWER of God", in Flesh. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.". yes, Christ, (the ARM of FLESH), an ARMY of ONE accomplish the objective of God ..... as a man. and that ARM is the POWER of GOD in Flesh boy Oh boy the bible just certifies itself over and over.

again, the Good hermeneutics in the Holy Spirit, of the near and far application explains the "I can do nothing of myself.", excuse, that many cannot understand, well that mystery is no more.
the ARM of God is GOD himself in his POWER, in Flesh to do his OWN WILL, Isaiah 46:9 "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,"

another excuse vanquish, and laid to the side.

Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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The Son of God, and the Son of Man?​

Many when they see the term, "God", as in Son of God, their mind goes up.... heavenly, or spiritual. ERROR. it's the Son of man that is Heavenly.... scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

did one really understand what the Lord Jesus just said? the Son of MAN is in heaven, the Son of God is on Earth, never in heaven, NOT "WITH" Blood.

the keyword here is "MAN", WHY? lets see, Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."

the MAN that is "GOD's ... FELLOW?". so what "KIND" of man is this? let the bible answer. the Hebrew term "FELLOW" here is,
H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.

a "CONCRETE" man? who is a kindred man. Remember God is a "Spirit", see the key word "MAN", the shared spirit in Flesh.
but the term can also be translated as "ANOTHER" just as the Greek term G243 allos states. ANOTHER, in Ordinal designation, meaning a numerical defference. there it is, the First, (God), the Spirit. "Father", LORD. and his FELLOW, the MAN who is Son....... Son of Man is God, (Spirit diversified in flesh, hence the "CONCRETE"), or the kindred man. "Son", Lord.

same one person. lets prove it as 1 Thessalonians 5:21 states, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

Son of Man is God in flesh, in a body the spirit made visible. question who do the elect belong to? "GOD" correct..... well lest see,

God's Elect.
Luke 18:7 "And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?"

Romans 8:33 "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth."

Colossians 3:12 "Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;"

that should be enough... one get the picture.

NOW, the Son of Man "his" elect.
Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Matthew 24:31 "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

and our brother Mark confirn this, Mark 13:26 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory."
Mark 13:27 "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

there is ONLY one set of ELECT. and the Son of Man, not the Son of God is the ONE who is gathering ... "HIS" ... ELECT, who is God..

UNDERSTAND, Isaiah 9:6a is correct "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

that child ... flesh and blood is not the Mighty God, but the HOUSE, the TEMPLE, or TABERNACLE that the Spirit/Son of Man dwells in no GLORIFIED in his resurrection from the dead.

so the Son of God is .... "NATURAL", let me say it again, NATURAL Flesh and bone with Blood. which houses the Son of Man who is the SHARED, or the diversified Spirit, the ordinal Last from heaven.

always remember the flesh that we're in is not US, but our house, this temple that Identify the spirit that dwells in it.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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after reading the many answers in various topice on the Godhead here, many are still making the fatal mistake of the "TERM" ONE in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

again I cannot stress the FACT, the term ONE is in PERSON, (in a equal SHARE),, and in ONE NATURE, (that is SHARED),this is the G243 Allos of God. the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') which is expressed in Ordinal Numbering of the designation .... "FIRST" and "LAST", or "BEGINNING", or "END", or "ALPHA, and "OMEGA", or ROOT", and "OFFSPRING".

people understand, these designations are in "dispensation" of A. TIME, B. PLACE, C. RANK, and D. ORDER.

understand the term "BEGINNING",, or FIRST. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Beginning: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

ok, let us help you out a bit,

in the definition above, notice the section, [from the same as H7218]

so what is H7218? lets see, H7218 רֹאשׁ ro'sh (roshe) n-m.
the head (as most easily shaken), whether literal or figurative (in many applications, of place, time, rank, itc.).
[from an unused root apparently meaning to shake]
KJV: band, beginning, captain, chapiter, chief(-est place, man, things), company, end, X every (man), excellent, first, forefront, (be-)head, height, (on) high(-est part, (priest)), X lead, X poor, principal, ruler, sum, top.

the "HEAD" which is the "beginning of God new CREATION, where have we heard this at before? yes, in the New testament, listen and Learn,
Colossians 1:18 "And he is the head of the body, (as in the definition of H7218 above), the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." this identifies H7218 רֹאשׁ ro'sh (roshe) to a tee.

what do "preeminence" means? G4409 πρωτεύω proteuo (prō-tev'-ō) v.
to be first (in rank or influence).
[from G4413]
KJV: have the preeminence
Root(s): G4413

Must we sang it for you, Just as in the FIRST CREATION, he has the same "RANK" in the NEW CREATION. having REDEEM man from the DEAD, he, being the "FIRSTborn", or the FIRST... NEW MAN, he is the FIRST of his CREATION.

people THINK in term of LIFE from the DEAD.FIRST. Listen, there was a movie that had the title... "from the cradle to the grave", starring DMX ... we say, from the GRAVE to the CRADLE, to be born again... we're headed to LIFE from the DEAD, so our destiny is "LIFE" to live for ever and ever after .... NO MORE "DEATH". thank God.

so we must understand what the bible says, 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen." this "WHO" is only "ONE" person, JESUS. who is the First, the Beginning, the Alpha, the ROOT, of the NEW CREATION of LIFE.

we suggest one re-read this post again for edification, in clarity.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[101G]

Well now, we're have a little bit of breakthrough, NB now know our Lord Jesus didn't make anything in the Flesh, which is Good to know. now come the hard hurdle that the Lord Jesus is God at Genesis 1:1 who made all things. just as John 1:3 states, ..... WITHOUT FLESH & BLOOD.

which the Ordinal First, who is JESUS the LORD, the Spirit, is the CREATOR, and MAKER of ALL THINGS. is the same ONE PERSON at Jhon 1:3 with flesh and blood. but is G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that flesh and blood, without power, (which means while in the flesh he didn't make anything). this is the beauity of the ECHAD in the EQUALLY "SHARED" Spirit as First and Last, Just as the Greek word, G243 Allos states. a numerical Difference, (FIRST and LAST). and the same Sort. (same Person). .

oh how Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" come into sharp view. the ONE TRUE GOD, JESUS the LORD, (Spirit, Genesis 1:1) and Jesus the Lord. (flesh and blood, John 1:1)

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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Diversified Oneness

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

the Keyword here is "the beginning", we must reinforce the IMPORTANCE of this word, in reality, and in definition.

the reality: if one get it "RIGHT" in the .... "beginning", then one will end in righteousness, or "RIGHT".

the definition: confirm one's righteousness by knowing the "TRUTH".

now the reality, Christians, (scholar, and lay people), made the ERROR on the Godhead, at Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" in the Word "ONE", or the Hebrew word,
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

My source for this definition is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

the ERROR comes at definition #1. (properly) united, i.e. one. this is where the problem began, we again command all true believers to re-examine this definition closley. God is not, or has never been split, in order to be a UNITED "ONE", God is an "ECHAD" in the Equal "Share"of himself in flesh and blood which he came in at the end or the fulness of TIME. not in a split personality, or in seperation of oneself on three persons, no, but he himself "shared" equally in flesh and blood in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state, as, or in likeness of a man. supportive scripture, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"
here we clearly see the "ECHAD" in view, for the term "sent forth", means, Past tense for to emit or issue from a source, which Phil 2:6 clearly states in his "NATURE, the "EQUAL SHARE. for the pharse, "to emit or issue from a source", means an allotment, or a portion, meaning a "SHARE". so Phil 2:6 is correct in our Lord's nature, as the "EQUAL SHARE" in the ESHAD of himself. not a united one, no, but the Equal share of himself in flesh. this is the reality.

now the definition,
Genesis 1:1 ste the stage for us to understand the "ECHAD", or the one who is Ordinal designated. BEGINNING:
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

again my source, the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

definition #1. confirm Deuteronomy 6:4 as the "FIRST", in Ordinal designation. because "First", idinitifies place, time, order or rank
Just Deuteronomy 6:4 definition states, 2. (as an ordinal) first.
always remember, Cardinal numbers tell 'how many' of something, they show quantity. Ordinal numbers tell the order of how things are set, they show the position or the rank of something. ... there it is.....

so a trinity shows a cardinal in the quantity of a united God, as separate persons, which is polytheistic in Nature. a "FALSE GOD".

so lets get it RIGHT in the beginning.

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to all of those who seek the truth, theLORD, all caps is the Lord in Flesh. supportive scripture, Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

here the OUT pouring of the Holy Spirit. for the term "supplication" is the Hebrew word here,
H8469 תַּחֲנוּן tachanuwn (tach-an-oon') n-m.
תַּחֲנוּנָה tachanuwnah (tach-an-oo-naw') [feminine]
earnest prayer.
[from H2603]
KJV: intreaty, supplication.
Root(s): H2603

new testament, 2 Corinthians 8:4 "Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints."

so clearly this is in reference to the HOLY SPIRIT. and the LORD, all caps, will pour out his, his, his, spirit. STOP... "spirit", small case "s" in spirit? yes, because he will be in glorified flesh when he do it. again, this is the "LORD", per Deuteronomy 6:4.


and it is the "LORD" who is pierced, yes the same ONE LORD in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

but was it not the "Lord" Jesus who was pierced? John 19:37 "And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced." this is in direct reference to Zechariah 12:10, as was with , John 19:36 "For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken." which is in direct reference to Ps 34:20.

now for all those who say the Lord Jesus is not God, then reconcicle John 19:37 with Zechariah 12:10.

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[101G]

to all who follow this topic, I guess I must not made myself clear, (I thought so).

in Diversified Oneness, God, (who is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit, name JESUS), is a "SINGLE", person that is EQUALLY "shared" in Human flesh, which is the "ECHAD" of his OWN-self. the only PERSON in the Godhead is the Holy Spirit, for God is a "Spirit". and that's the Holy Spirit. and this one Person, The Holy Spirit, JESUS, holds the Titles "Father"/LORD, and "Son"/Lord in the EQUAL SHARE of what the bible calls the "ECHAD".

so there are not three persons, but three TITLES of the same one PERSON, in an ECHAD. it looks like this

JESUS
is
Holy Spirit

WHO IS GOD
Holding the titles
in the ECHAD
as
Father ..................................... Son




not like this,


Father

GOD

Titles, The Son ................................... the Holy Spirit​

so no, Jesus is God the Spirit, (the Holy Spirit). with the "ECHAD" titles, "First", the Ordinal First, Father/LORD, WHO is CREATOR, and MAKER of ALL THINGS.

title, "Last", the ordinal Last, Son/Lord, who is REDEEMER, and SAVIOUR of ALL THINGS.

and the amalgamation of this "ECHAD" is in this one NEW MAN, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

THE PERFECT "ONE" GOD​

and if we are in him, then we're perfect... yes, perfect. Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Colossians 2:10 "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:"

we all, (who are born again), are perfect in Christ Jesus, at each of our levels of understanding, now we of ourselves but because of HIM.for it is he who makes us perfect. for if perfection was under the law why change the law? scripture, Hebrews 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?"
Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

what a mighty God we serve.

for the word "Complete" is the Greek word,
G4137 πληρόω pleroo (plee-ro'-ō) v.
1. to fully, completely fill.
2. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow).
3. (figuratively) to fully supply, satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.
[from G4134]
KJV: accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply
Root(s): G4134

there is our word, " perfect", what did the Lord Jesus say? Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." answer, GET THE HOLY GHOST, the HOLY SPIRIT, the Spirit of "LIFE", and that's the Lord Jesus, John 1:4 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

and that "LIFE" (GOD) was manifested. 1 John 1:2 "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us"

BINGO, that WORD in John 1:1 is God just as John 1:1c states, "and the Word was God", oh my, my, my....

if people jut can understand that God, JESUS, is the ECHAD.

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Now that we have the LOED and the Lord is the same one Person in Psalms 110:1 and in verse 5. likewise, the Lord Jesus is seen in Isaiah vision in chapter 6, who is the Lord Jesus, the Lord God Almighty, who "CAME", or was SENT into this creative world to save us.

Now, lets examine this three person trinity again from the OT. supportive scripture, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

here, I had many a trinitarian states, "see there is the trinity in three person".... the Father, the "Lord God", and the Spirit, the Holy Spirit sent his Son, the me in the cerse..............
well are you sure? the "I" am is the Spirit, that sent the me., who is the "I am", and many say no way... until we explained it to them. understand, the bible explain itself, over and over. notice the verse states the Lord God and, and, and, his, his, his, Spirit, sent me. did one get it, read it again. but this time slowly, there am I: Person #1. his Spirit , SAME PERSON,, his Spirit, is him, or my Spirit. so I and my Spirit, (which is him), is the same one person. and next, "sent ME". now who is me? ... the same person "I" in the verse, who is the Spirit, the Lord God. was that confusion? no, but God is not the author of confusion, so let's break it down in Layman's understanding so that we ALL can clearly see it, meanin only one person.

lets Go to the Book of Revelation shall we. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

so one PERSON sent "his" angel to John ... correct.... now the angel who was sent, tells us who... yes, "WHO", sent him. listen, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

WHO sent "HIS" angel? answer, the Lord God of the holy Prophets, HOLD IT, the Lord God in the OT, correct, yes, the holy "Prophets"... right. ok, GOOD. this is the same Lord God in Isaiah 48:16, because it's only "ONE" God. now the REVELATION, let the BIBLE plainly tell us "WHO" sent his angel.
Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

the "I" is his, (in Reve 1:1), or the MINE, here in verse 16. that sent the angel. meaning the Lord God is "JESUS".

now, knowing this, JESUS is the Lord God who sent his angel. so we have establish that the Lord God is "JESUS.... now, going back to Isaiah 48:16 lets substitute the name Jesus for the Lord God, (just for clarity, and the sake of argument), Listen, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, (Jesus), and his Spirit, hath sent me."

Now if Jesus is the Lord God, who is the sender, and ... his Spirit, so who was sent? but was it not JESUS, the Son who was sent? (smile), Oh the beauty of the ECHAD, meaning his "GLORY". what did Isaiah 48:16 say, concering who sent whom? see the TRUTH now, but was it not the "Father", ... and "his Spirit"... did one get that... "his, his, Spirit" that sent the Son? , or did GOD himself come, lets see, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." now, who came and saved us? God, but don't the trinitarian, and some others say"GOD" is the "FATHER", well if so, then it was the Father, according to you that came..... see your error now. we suggest that one re-read Isaiah 48:16 .... WITH the HOLY SPIRIT for UNDERSTANDING.

oh the ECHAD is in plain vied, but Isaiah was right in God, justs as John said, witness to the saying, John 12:39 "Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again," John 12:40 "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." YIKES! what an indictment, even still today, eyes are still closed, and hearts still hard, and many are in need of healing... (salvation). Oh well.... God knows.

understand, the bible reveals itself here by scriptures over there.... by understanding Isaiah 48:16, I know and understand "who" came", or was sent, and who came or sent the the "Comforter. this is so revealing, and refreshing in KNOWING the TRUTH, about our GOD, the Lord JESUS who is the Only TRUE, and LIVING God.

Fellas, and any ladies, the "ECHAD" is the ANSWER to the Godhead

PICJAG, 101G.

PS, if one is an astute student of the bible, then this would KNOW, from Isaiah 48:16, the answer to who sent the "Holy Spirit", the Comforer... or who actually came.... (smile). this is too GOOD.

 

[johnny guitar]

to all who follow this topic, I guess I must not made myself clear, (I thought so).

in Diversified Oneness, God, (who is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit, name JESUS), is a "SINGLE", person that is EQUALLY "shared" in Human flesh, which is the "ECHAD" of his OWN-self. the only PERSON in the Godhead is the Holy Spirit, for God is a "Spirit". and that's the Holy Spirit. and this one Person, The Holy Spirit, JESUS, holds the Titles "Father"/LORD, and "Son"/Lord in the EQUAL SHARE of what the bible calls the "ECHAD".

so there are not three persons, but three TITLES of the same one PERSON, in an ECHAD. it looks like this

JESUS
is
Holy Spirit

WHO IS GOD
Holding the titles
in the ECHAD
as
Father ..................................... Son




not like this,


Father

GOD

Titles, The Son ................................... the Holy Spirit​

so no, Jesus is God the Spirit, (the Holy Spirit). with the "ECHAD" titles, "First", the Ordinal First, Father/LORD, WHO is CREATOR, and MAKER of ALL THINGS.

title, "Last", the ordinal Last, Son/Lord, who is REDEEMER, and SAVIOUR of ALL THINGS.

and the amalgamation of this "ECHAD" is in this one NEW MAN, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

THE PERFECT "ONE" GOD​

and if we are in him, then we're perfect... yes, perfect. Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Colossians 2:10 "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:"

we all, (who are born again), are perfect in Christ Jesus, at each of our levels of understanding, now we of ourselves but because of HIM.for it is he who makes us perfect. for if perfection was under the law why change the law? scripture, Hebrews 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?"
Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

what a mighty God we serve.

for the word "Complete" is the Greek word,
G4137 πληρόω pleroo (plee-ro'-ō) v.
1. to fully, completely fill.
2. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow).
3. (figuratively) to fully supply, satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.
[from G4134]
KJV: accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply
Root(s): G4134

there is our word, " perfect", what did the Lord Jesus say? Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." answer, GET THE HOLY GHOST, the HOLY SPIRIT, the Spirit of "LIFE", and that's the Lord Jesus, John 1:4 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

and that "LIFE" (GOD) was manifested. 1 John 1:2 "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us"

BINGO, that WORD in John 1:1 is God just as John 1:1c states, "and the Word was God", oh my, my, my....

if people jut can understand that God, JESUS, is the ECHAD.

PICJAG, 101,G

Jesus has NUMEROUS titles, BUT The Father and The Holy Spirit are NOT among them.

 

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Jesus has NUMEROUS titles, BUT The Father and The Holy Spirit are NOT among them.

Well see this Post I just made here, https://forums.carm.org/threads/kenosis-heresy.4721/post-330198

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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well, there is one thing for sure. there is a LACK of Bible study in these rooms, for this informatation is widely avable via dictionary.

but one MUST have the Holy Spirit, the Revelator to reveal the TRUTH to YOU. one cannot argue from man's wisdom, it want work. it must be of God, else you will fail, and have 101G eat you lunch, dinner, and breakfast.... (smile)...lol, .... YIKES!.

now you don't want to go hungary .... do you? if not, pull youself up to the HOLY SPIRIT table and ask God for his wisdom, he (in eaasnce), is taking orders for many to be filled of his Spirit, from whence come "HIS" WISDOM.

NEXT ORDER,

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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sorry for the misspelled word, "essence" above, charge it to my head, and not my heart.

now to the Holy Spirit, and the three person in the one Spirit.

if the son is a separate Person, and the Father is a separate person, is the Spirit separate? if not, then the Spirit that descended on the Lord Jesus had to contain all three..... are we beginning to see the problem now? because if each person has the same ONE nature, Spirit, then the Spirit at the baptism is in three separate Spirits. for if the the person is without the nature of God, (Spirit),, then that person is not GOD.

PICJAG, 101G.