False, because prayer is to be directed "to" Jesus.
Jesus was "made Lord" (Acts 2:36)
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Yahweh will increase
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ROFLOL, for neither in Peters sermon of Acts 2 nor in Paul's words of Romans 10:8-13 is it ever stated that prayer is being directed to Jesus, you are making that up, for in neither of those passages does it even hint of that.
If you can't accept that fact then that is just going to be touch for you dude, for I am not going to go around and around in circles arguing with you about it.
For I didn't even post anything on your dumb threads to invoke a conversation with you, for I don't bother to continue on with people who won't read what I say in my replies, for that just shows real arrogant ignorance.
A Greek and English Lexicon to the New Testament: To call upon, invoke, in prayer. Rom. 10:12, 14. 2 Tim. 2:22. Acts 7:59...JEHOVAH then was the name which eminently distinguished the true God from all false gods; and in the N.T. ἐπικαλέσηται τὸ ὄνομα κυρίου imports invoking the true God, with a confession that he is Jehovah, i.e. with an acknowledgement of his essential and incommunicable attributes. And in this view the phrase is applied to Christ, Acts 2:21. (Comp. Joel 2:32. Acts 9:13, 14, 21.) Acts 22:16. Rom. 10:13, (comp ver. 9, 11) 1 Cor. 1:2 (epikaleō, page 243, the boldface is mine)
Another one of your myths just bit the dust.
johnny guitar
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God is The ONE and ONLY Savior.
Yahweh will increase
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ROFLOL, you still have to show where in Romans 10:8-10 Paul is saying that Jesus is the one who is actually called upon and you can't do that because it isn't stated.
What is stated, is that "if you will confess with your mouth Jesus as kurios and believe in your heart that Yahweh has raised him from the dead you will be saved.
Or are you that simple in your thinking that you do not know the difference between calling upon someone and confessing to them that they are something?
Maybe I should tell you how I got saved, for first I was in great distress over a number of things in my life to the point of almost a breakdown and one night it got so severe that I began to weep and call out to God to help me and that whatever he would tell I needed to do I would do it for I knew how much of a sinner I was, and I almost choked to death on my tears it was that severe.
I was brought up in a Catholic family and believed that it was all about being good enough, for that is what they teach and I knew I wasn't making the mark with my deeds.
Two weeks after this, I was on a union construction job and this guy that I worked with just started talking to me about the scriptures and about God's grace and some other issues that were right in line with what I was going through, and then he gave me some Bible verses to read.
That night I got my families Bible and looked up the verses and started reading whole chapters and all of a sudden it seamed to jump out at me what I had never seen or known before concerning God's grace and how all God wanted from me was my faith and acceptance of his love for me by Jesus' death on the cross.
Right away I felt God's presence and my heart being cleansed from sin and a warm feeling of his love within my heart and surrounding me and I knew my sins were forgiven and I was accepted by God.
The next day, I noticed that my life had taken a change, for I used to cuss every other word and really fowl language also but there were no cuss words coming out of my mouth and I wasn't even trying not to cuss either, it just wasn't there anymore and I kept noticing more and more changes also.
I smoked about 3 1/2 to 4 packs of cigarettes a day and all I wanted to do is read the word every chance that I got, so on lunch break I would have a cigarette in one hand and the Bible in the other and in two more weeks the cigarette was gone and so was the habit while the Bible remained.
My experience with 'God through Christ was a powerful one and when I told my dad what had happened to me, he put his hands around my neck and began choking and shaking me and told me to get out of his house and I was living there, so I had to find a motel to live in for a while until I could get up enough money to get my own apartment.
My grandfather also came after me one time and my grandmother had to pull him off of me, for they were Catholic and what I had was the real thing and not religion and they could sense it in me.
So I called on God before I accepted Christ two weeks later and before God I am not lying either, for every bit of what I said is the truth.
I didn't bother to read the rest of the garbage you wrote because the above is so easy to demonstrate.
https://forums.carm.org/threads/paul-applies-yhwh-from-joel-3-5-lxx-unto-the-lord-jesus-in-romans-10-13.7415/
Yahweh will increase
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For a know it all know nothing arrogant simpleton like yourself who lives in your little mythological trinitarian fantasy land like you do, I guess every would be easy.
By the way, If you are so arrogant to post replies to me while you refuse read what I reply back to you, then why would you add a link to your garbage, for me to go and read?
It is probably only a repeat of something I have read from you already, for I am not like you, afraid of what the other posters says as though it will influence me to go in that direction, for my faith and my "God is stronger than that.
Didn't you tell me that you didn't want to read my replies because you didn't want to be influenced by them?
That only reveals to me that your faith in what you believe is pathetically weak and it is also, isn't it dude?
Thanks for making it easy for me to refute your heresy.
Yahweh will increase
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The only thing that you are doing is showing your pathetic ignorance, arrogance and depravity.
It is still easy to refute your heresy.
Yahweh will increase
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The only refuting you have done here is in that mythological trinitarian fantasy world that you live in.
Do you know how easy it is to tell people that you have refuted them when you haven't or are you that simple because of your bias in false doctrine that you don't even know that much either?
I could do that all day long like you do also, but it is meaningless and worthless and that is why I don't do it, for I don't have to speak the words and neither do I have to convince men either.
For God knows who is speaking the truth and who isn't and so do those who are in the truth also but all of the rest will remain blind, for that is just the way it is.
However at the end of the age the blindness will be removed about it and God will reveal before every single person who ever lived who was speaking the truth for him and who wasn't but in this life, only God and Christ and the believers will know the difference and the rest will be deceived about it unto that day.
Our Lord's God
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Do you even hear yourself?
You obviously don't know the implication of these words:
"The Lord said to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand..."
At Acts 2:36, what did you suppose the word "Therefore" was there for?
Romans 10:13, which could be your hope, you have turned into your downfall.
Yahweh will increase
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ROFLOL, don't tell me about what my hope might be dude, for I was saved around 1972 and that is when my hope found me.
By the way, if anyone is refuted on this forum, they are not refuted by some other man but rather from the scriptures themselves while you want to boast about your idea that you are refuting anyone with your nonsense.
Did Jesus or the apostles ever tell the people that they dealt with in the scriptures that they were refuted by them?
You just don't see the arrogance behind this do you dude?
Yahweh will increase
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I already did that also and I lumped it in along with the simpleton who said it as well.
It must be tough defending your heresy. I'm glad I don't have to.
johnny guitar
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Romans 10:13 tells us whoever calls upon the name of The Lord(Jesus Christ)will be saved.
Yep, Jesus is The ONE Lord(YHWH).
Our Lord's God
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It really isn't too tough defending the undeniable fact that the only true God is none other than Jesus Christ's God. IS IT?
It's not difficult defending an inescapable fact.
Now trying to defend your insanity on the other hand? A dog chasing your tail.
Yahweh will increase
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How could that be, being I am not the one with the heresy to defend but rather you are?
I think it was Abraham Lincoln who said, "I would rather be thought of as a fool than to open my mouth and remove all doubt" and that is a lesson that you have never learned, for you think that by your much arguing, you are making some sort of progress when actually all you are revealing is your own ignorance by it.
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