Jewish Perspective on the Ten Commandments

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balshan

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praise_yeshua said:
True. Jews too. They're pretending they honor God by breaking the law. What atonement do they have for their sins?
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They don't pretend at all, they never claim to honour God by breaking the law. What atonement are you doing? Jesus gave us the great commandment and it would seem you are showing a great lack of understanding of this commandment.

Just a reminder of what it is:

Mark 12

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[ There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

These commandments are straight from the OT.

Actions speak.
 
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balshan

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praise_yeshua said:
God curses them. I'm not cursing them. They're high minded and full of themselves. They need to become guilty before God. Your kind doesn't let that happen.

I suppose your believe Jesus Christ is cursed for cursing them?

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
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I just posted the warnings that God made to all who curse the Jewish people. That does not mean that anyone else can attack the Jewish people physically or verbally.

No matter what God will also go to the Jewish people first.
 
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balshan

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praise_yeshua said:
I asked you about Jesus. Jesus cursed Israel. Do you blame Jesus for cursing Israel?

I asked what atonement do they have for sin? You didn't answer.... You're dodging.

I love them as my neighbor. My message to them is the same as my message is to all my neighbors. You're the one trying to separate the messages. I mean seriously, you tell them they have rights that are only found in Jesus Christ. A person they hate and despise.

Do you believe it is okay for them to continue that way? You're certainly not doing anything to change it. In fact, you're making it worse.
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Jesus didn't curse them. As far as I can see it is the sin of the world that put Jesus on the cross. In fact, it was Romans (who represent all nations) that nailed Him to the cross.

No you are not showing love at all. You certainly are not showing them the love of Jesus. Jesus loved them so much he cried over them. All the first followers of Jesus were Jewish, they did not stop being Jewish. Followers of Jesus were known as a Jewish sect in the beginning. If they hate Jesus that is because of the way so called Christians have treated them throughout the centuries. It shows a major breaking of the commandments and a dishonour to God.

They do not have to be perfect to know Jesus. If your posts have not been so attacking I was just going to read this thread for interest. But you attitude has taken the thread of the topic and been disrespectful.
 
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balshan

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praise_yeshua said:
You're dodging. Did Jesus curse Israel or not? IF he did, then why are you not applying the same standard here?
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Jesus loved the Jewish people. He is the only one to judge them, not you, not me. If you continue to curse them, which your posts are doing by their nasty words, then remember the warnings to those who curse God's people. God still has them as the apple of His eye, He has never said that about any other nation.
 
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balshan

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praise_yeshua said:
So you treat Jews differently that any others?

I know you do. That in and of itself is contrary to the very verses you posted earlier claiming I'm breaking. I'm an treating them no differently than anyone else. They need to become guilty before God and here you are giving them ammo for their lack of guilt.

Ask them if Jesus cursed them? See what THEY SAY about it.
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No I don't. I treat them them the same as I treat others. I always post the truth and facts. I am not giving them ammo at all. Well they will not see Jesus being spoken to that way.
 
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balshan

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praise_yeshua said:
Brother, you have no right to judge me. To my own Master I stand or fall. Have you really forgotten those words.

The Jewish nation is established in the faithful. You're giving them a free ride to nowhere.
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Twisting my posts does not make you right. I am not judging you, as I do not know you. I have not forgotten who I am bondservant to. I am not giving them a free ride. You are pushing them away from Yeshua with the attacks.
 
Jewjitzu

Jewjitzu

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praise_yeshua said:
No I'm not. Did Stephen push them away???

Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

There was a man standing there that day. A man that never got over what he heard and saw..... A Jew of Jews. From the tribe of Benjamin. One of the two tribes that largely stayed true to not marrying among Gentiles. The best of them.....

Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

You read the vast majority of the NT because of Stephen......
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Yep, you've been disgusting from the start. And I've seen the same in other threads here. It's your MO.
 
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balshan

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praise_yeshua said:
IF they become guilty before God, they will. Paul said that they would.....

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
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This is a better translation:

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

This applies to all the world.

Another warning

Rom 11

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

We all need to be humble. Salvation is a gift from God.
 
Jewjitzu

Jewjitzu

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praise_yeshua said:
You have greatly resisted my words. I leave you to time and God's mercy.
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So, the conclusion of the matter is there is no thing as a virgin birth, the context in Isaiah 7 and time-frame doesn't fit, Jesus according to the original sin idea would have inherited sin from Mary too, the NT genealogies conflict, tribal lineage along with the Y chromosome is from a physical father, etc.

You should have left me alone from the beginning. Your attitude stinks.
 
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balshan

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praise_yeshua said:
No I'm not. Did Stephen push them away???

Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

There was a man standing there that day. A man that never got over what he heard and saw..... A Jew of Jews. From the tribe of Benjamin. One of the two tribes that largely stayed true to not marrying among Gentiles. The best of them.....

Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

You read the vast majority of the NT because of Stephen......
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You actually are. Steven was Jewish and you are not. Big difference. I read the whole of scripture and the OT and NT because God gave the world His word. Dialogue and relationship is how people will learn about salvation.
 
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balshan

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Open Heart said:
Sure. It was simply interrupted temporarily by a hater. You can join in too, balshan! :)
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Thank you I was interested because I had never come across these difference in words and understanding even when doing Jewish studies. I am interested in learning, often I will read and learn that way.
 
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