johnny guitar
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NO such thing as "the rest" of Diety, since God is UNDIVIDED.So there's a distinction between God the Holy Spirit and the rest of the Diety.
You are charged with a strawman.
NO such thing as "the rest" of Diety, since God is UNDIVIDED.So there's a distinction between God the Holy Spirit and the rest of the Diety.
The Son of God upholds all things, whether in the flesh or not.
NO such thing as "the rest" of Diety, since God is UNDIVIDED.
You are charged with a strawman.
Strawman. DISTINCT Persons, NOT Divided.If God is undivided, then why do so you divide God, by persons, by three.
Strawman. DISTINCT Persons, NOT Divided.
More straw.One God, divided by persons, by threes.
Absolutely correct! This issue about the invisible God is widely misunderstood and so His Right Hand.seated at the right hand of God? do God a Spirit have actual physical hands? and how do a Spirit sit when he the Spirit fills both heaven and Earth?
Seated at the Right hand means he's in POWER, because he's God, and has all POWER in the NEW CREATKION, as well as this OLD one that is about to pass away.
silly thinking like this is what make Christianity unreliable.
ERROR, the Son of God upheld NOTHING, the Son of God is flesh bone and blood. it is the Son of Man who is Spirit, that uphold if anything.The Son of God upholds all things, whether in the flesh or not.
I like that. Isaiah 45:15 "Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour." yes in two dimensions, the natural realm, and the Spiritual realm. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." while on earth in flesh, "Revealed". in heaven, "Concealed", no man seen...... until our change when he returns, and then we will see him as he is.They don't understand that The Person is One but in two dimensions - Concealed and Revealed.
FYI, The Father is God in Spirit as The Ordinal First and The Son is His equal sahre in flesh - The same God in two dimensions.No, the Father is fulfulling this promise through His Christ.
I don't have a "Unitarian denomination."
But I'm sure that in your fantasy world I do.
Yes God is presented in OT as Man (in the spirit of Man). In all Anthromorphism, He demonstrated thus.I like that. Isaiah 45:15 "Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour." yes in two dimensions, the natural realm, and the Spiritual realm. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." while on earth in flesh, "Revealed". in heaven, "Concealed", no man seen...... until our change when he returns, and then we will see him as he is.
FYI, The Father is God in Spirit as The Ordinal First and The Son is His equal sahre in flesh - The same God in two dimensions.
For a while, The Son refrained from His reputation of being equal WITH God - Phil 2:5-7 because in His humility He came as a Servant and Mediate for Israel.pt Ph
You must also know that The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are covenant titles of the same God in relation to Israel.
These titles also existed in the OT in prophetic scriptures. That's why it's important to understand The Torah and The Prophets in relation to historical Israel. Just only learning from the NT doesn't give full revelation, though NT completes the revelation of God to Israel.
The Father gave The Son.....is not to be understood in a Unitarians way that The Son is not God. God is invisible Spirit and is unapproachable even to Angelic beings, forget about the man from dust. The only way God made Himself approachable by His own Tabernacle of Body derived from His own substance which you look down upon. This is the truth of scriptures.
You are haunted by God's humility of coming down to mankind without which it would have been impossible.
The only reason the OT prophets saw God of Israel Who also spoke to them with instructions and things to come is because of The Spirit of The Yeshua Messiah to come. He is the same YHWH Who spoke to Israel as The Father and spoke as The Son in NT - two different dispensations. Father never speaks in the NT. The voice that John, Peter heard wasn't literally Father but used as identifying The Son.
There is one more picture of God we see as a Man. Spirit as The Head and Body as subject to the Head. This is the figure of God as Man. Both Spirit and Body are equal and yet the Body acts as per the Head. We see this as The Father and The Son.
In this manner God is the Head of Christ. The picture of a Man (H
In the same way we are in the image of Christ by His being The Head and we His Body. Picture of a perfect Man after the likeness of God
That doesn't make us god's - as carnal men may think. Adam was created in the image and likeness of God. That's why plural pronouns are used for God to show God as Spirit as The Head and His physical presence as His Body.
Bible also calls us offsprings of God to demonstrate His imagery.
GINOLJC, to ALL,FYI, The Father is God in Spirit as The Ordinal First and The Son is His equal sahre in flesh - The same God in two dimensions.
For a while, The Son refrained from His reputation of being equal WITH God - Phil 2:5-7 because in His humility He came as a Servant and Mediate for Israel.
You must also know that The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are covenant titles of the same God in relation to Israel. These titles also existed in the OT in prophetic scriptures. That's why it's important to understand The Torah and The Prophets in relation to historical Israel. Just only learning from the NT doesn't give full revelation, though NT completes the revelation of God to Israel.
The Father gave The Son.....is not to be understood in a Unitarians way that The Son is not God. God is invisible Spirit and is unapproachable even to Angelic beings, forget about the man from dust. The only way God made Himself approachable by His own Tabernacle of Body derived from His own substance which you look down upon. This is the truth of scriptures.
You are haunted by God's humility of coming down to mankind without which it would have been impossible.
The only reason the OT prophets saw God of Israel Who also spoke to them with instructions and things to come is because of The Spirit of The Yeshua Messiah to come. He is the same YHWH Who spoke to Israel as The Father and spoke as The Son in NT - two different dispensations. Father never speaks in the NT. The voice that John, Peter heard wasn't literally Father but used as identifying The Son.
There is one more picture of God we see as a Man. Spirit as The Head and Body as subject to the Head. This is the figure of God as Man. Both Spirit and Body are equal and yet the Body acts as per the Head. We see this as The Father and The Son.
In this manner God is the Head of Christ. The picture of a Man (Head and Body).
In the same way we are in the image of Christ by His being The Head and we His Body. Picture of a perfect Man after the likeness of God
That doesn't make us god's - as carnal men may think. Adam was created in the image and likeness of God. That's why plural pronouns are used for God to show God as Spirit as The Head and His physical presence as His Body.
Bible also calls us offsprings of God to demonstrate His imagery.
correct, and here is scripture that support just what you said, and the NT REVEALING of those OT propheciesYes God is presented in OT as Man (in the spirit of Man). In all Anthromorphism, He demonstrated thus.
correct, and here is scripture that support just what you said, and the NT REVEALING of those OT prophecies
HOW DID GOD SPEAK IN THE OT?
Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets."
HOW DID GOD SPEAK NOW IN THE NT?
Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
he has spoken to us ....... FACE to FACE...... by, by, by his Son, who is HIM in flesh the IMAGE of God. for God is Spirit that MADE THE WORLD ... "BY, BY, BY, HIMSELF. what did Hebrews 1:2 say? "by whom also he made the worlds;" by who .... his, his, his Son? let's see. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he
that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" BY, BY, BY.......MY SELF. remember God is speaking by, by, by, by, his, his, his, prophets. why say BY his prophets, (as well by his Son) because it was not the prophets speaking because God was in them speaking. listen, 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
how, and why was the holy men moved by the Holy Ghost? answer, because the Holy God, the Holy Spirit, was in, in, in, them speaking, scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
where was the Spirit of Christ/JESUS/the Holy God/the Holy Spirit at? answer IN, IN, IN, IN, IN, IN, them the prophets, JESUS the Holy Spirit the ONLY Holy and TRUE and LIVING God was in these prophets ......... speaking. talking about himself that was to Come. as the apostle Peter said, "Testifying"..... talking about himself. this is why in the OT, all the prophets said something like this, "and the word of the LORD came unto me" we see it over and over, prophet, after prophet, the word of God came unto them. and God got "IN" them speaking and talking about himself to come. Oh my God, wonderful are YOU.
Lord Jesus thank you for our THANKSGIVING, DINNER .... THIS MORNING.
we highly suggest one re-read this post for clarity, and edification.
PICJAG, 101G.
Thanksgiving meal is tasty for those who understand spiritual matters from scriptures. May I add also:correct, and here is scripture that support just what you said, and the NT REVEALING of those OT prophecies
HOW DID GOD SPEAK IN THE OT?
Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets."
HOW DID GOD SPEAK NOW IN THE NT?
Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
he has spoken to us ....... FACE to FACE...... by, by, by his Son, who is HIM in flesh the IMAGE of God. for God is Spirit that MADE THE WORLD ... "BY, BY, BY, HIMSELF. what did Hebrews 1:2 say? "by whom also he made the worlds;" by who .... his, his, his Son? let's see. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" BY, BY, BY.......MY SELF. remember God is speaking by, by, by, by, his, his, his, prophets. why say BY his prophets, (as well by his Son) because it was not the prophets speaking because God was in them speaking. listen, 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
how, and why was the holy men moved by the Holy Ghost? answer, because the Holy God, the Holy Spirit, was in, in, in, them speaking, scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
where was the Spirit of Christ/JESUS/the Holy God/the Holy Spirit at? answer IN, IN, IN, IN, IN, IN, them the prophets, JESUS the Holy Spirit the ONLY Holy and TRUE and LIVING God was in these prophets ......... speaking. talking about himself that was to Come. as the apostle Peter said, "Testifying"..... talking about himself. this is why in the OT, all the prophets said something like this, "and the word of the LORD came unto me" we see it over and over, prophet, after prophet, the word of God came unto them. and God got "IN" them speaking and talking about himself to come. Oh my God, wonderful are YOU.
Lord Jesus thank you for our THANKSGIVING, DINNER .... THIS MORNING.
we highly suggest one re-read this post for clarity, and edification.
PICJAG, 101G.
Thanksgiving meal is tasty for those who understand spiritual matters from scriptures. May I add also:
1Cor 10:
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
YHWH was the Rock of Israel which is attributed to Messiah in the OT
9: Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
Israel tempted YHWH in the wilderness which is attributed to Messiah by Apostle Paul - Jewish writer through inspiration.
Do these Unitarians who put down Messiah as a non-Deity by using only certain scriptures will stand before judgement?
How about Paul again confirms His Deity in :
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Paul wasn't contradicting other scriptures where Christ is subject to the Father - as The Father is His own Spirit. We are taught the humility of Christ as the Body subjecting to His Spirit as The Head.
We must also have the mind of Messiah by which our Bodily actions are derived.
is not the Son the Father? Isaiah 9:6The Father is not the Holy Spirit. The Son is the Spirit.
The Son of God came from heaven to become MAN.ERROR, the Son of God upheld NOTHING, the Son of God is flesh bone and blood. it is the Son of Man who is Spirit, that uphold if anything.
JG, how many times must I tell u this? the Son of God came out of Mary, (flesh, the body), the Son of Man came from heaven..... "Spirit".
so try again.
The Son is(drumroll) The SON.The Father is not the Holy Spirit. The Son is the Spirit.