John 1:29

[Reformedguy]

"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world".

A certain poster claims your sins are forgiven or taken away when you believe. Not all will believe so it seems not all sin is taken away or forgiven.

So much for unlimited atonement.

 

[Kampioen]

"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world".

A certain poster claims your sins are forgiven or taken away when you believe. Not all will believe so it seems not all sin is taken away or forgiven.

So much for unlimited atonement.

The atonement doesn't give faith, otherwise all would be saved immediately upon Christ's death. So not all sin will be forgiven because all won't believe.

 

[Reformedguy]

The atonement doesn't give faith, otherwise all would be saved immediately upon Christ's death. So not all sin will be forgiven because all won't believe.

But all sin is taken away.

 

[fltom]

But all sin is taken away.

So are you now a universalist?

 

[Reformedguy]

So are you now a universalist?

Dodging the OP

 

[ReverendRV]

"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world".

A certain poster claims your sins are forgiven or taken away when you believe. Not all will believe so it seems not all sin is taken away or forgiven.

So much for unlimited atonement.

The Verse just means that Christ's Attonement is for All; if they would just reach out for him because he is Near...

Theology is built upon All Scripture...

 

[fltom]

Dodging the OP

nope just your unbiblical interpretation

verse 39 describes the potential of Christ's act

not that all have their sins taken away

 

[Reformedguy]

nope just your unbiblical interpretation

verse 39 describes the potential of Christ's act

not that all have their sins taken away

"not all have their sins taken away", bingo. So verse 29 is not referring to all without exception then.

 

[fltom]

"not all have their sins taken away", bingo. So verse 29 is not referring to all without exception then.

It is referring to the potential of Christ's sacrifice

should all believe then all will have their sin taken away

 

[Reformedguy]

The Verse just means that Christ's Attonement is for All; if they would just reach out for him because he is Near...

Theology is built upon All Scripture...

It is referring to the potential of Christ's sacrifice

should all believe then all will have their sin taken away

I don't see the word potential. Could you point it out? John 1:29

 

[fltom]

I don't see the word potential. Could you point it out? John 1:29

You don't see a lot of things

The world did not have all their sins remitted

only those who believe receive remission of sin

 

[Reformedguy]

You don't see a lot of things

The world did not have all their sins remitted

only those who believe receive remission of sin

No? So John 1:29 does not refer to all without exception right?

 

[ReverendRV]

I don't see the word potential. Could you point it out? John 1:29

The word 'Potential' would be in our Systematic Theology; not the Verse. It would be Eisegesis to say the word is in the Verse; but there is no Eisegesis in Theology. All Scripture is Good for Doctrine. If anyone would reach out, he is near them. As Calvinists, we say that 'out of Enmity'; the Lost won't reach out. The word Enmity isn't in the Verse either; but it's in our Systematic Theology...

There is a danger in only Pretexting; that's what they do, right?

 

[fltom]

The word 'Potential' would be in our Systematic Theology; not the Verse. It would be Eisegesis to say the word is in the Verse; but there is no Eisegesis in Theology. All Scripture is Good for Doctrine. If anyone would reach out, he is near them. As Calvinists, we say that out of Enmity; the Lost won't reach out. The word Enmity isn't in the Verse either; but it's in our Systematic Theology...

There is a danger in only Pretexting; that's what they do, right?

The world obviously did not have all their sins forgiven

One cannot be dead in sin and forgiven

It is only when one believes and repents that sins are forgiven

thus all have the option of having their sins forgiven should they believe

 

[fltom]

"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world".

A certain poster claims your sins are forgiven or taken away when you believe. Not all will believe so it seems not all sin is taken away or forgiven.

So much for unlimited atonement.

BTW you still do not understand unlimited atonement

it speaks of the extent of the atonement not the application of the atonement

it only notes Christ died for all not that all will have their sins forgiven

only those who believe do

 

[Reformedguy]

BTW you still do not understand unlimited atonement

it speaks of the extent of the atonement not the application of the atonement

it only notes Christ died for all not that all will have their sins forgiven

only those who believe do

So not all sins are taken away then. John 1:29 is not to be understood as all without exception.

 

[fltom]

So not all sins are taken away then. John 1:29 is not to be understood as all without exception.

as having their sins actually remitted no

that anyone in the world may have their sins forgiven should they believe and repent yes

 

[Reformedguy]

as having their sins actually remitted no

that anyone in the world may have their sins forgiven should they believe and repent yes

That's not what it says. It says "takes away" not might take away depending on so on and so forth.

 

[fltom]

That's not what it says. It says "takes away" not might take away depending on so on and so forth.

so you are a universalist?

world does not mean the elect

 

[Reformedguy]

so you are a universalist?

world does not mean the elect

That would be you sir. Lol Your the one saying yup, there all taken away. Oh wait, only when you believe are the actually taken away.