John 1:29

[fltom]

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell.

That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That Christ did for all is scripture

Christ died for all

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I guess that is why you avoid it.

 

[fltom]

Well, I deny scripture as often as you beat your wife, Tom.

Scripture showed otherwise

  - John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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[Howie]

That Christ did for all is scripture

Christ died for all

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I guess that is why you avoid it.

Only if you have no understanding.

 

[Howie]

Scripture showed otherwise

  - John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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I deny scripture as often as you beat your wife, Tom.

How often is that?

 

[fltom]

I deny scripture as often as you beat your wife, Tom.

How often is that?

Once again, the evidence shows otherwise.

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


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You can believe scripture, or you can believe Calvinism, but you cannot believe both

 

[fltom]

Only if you have no understanding.

Rather, if you believe the bible and reject Gnostic interpretations.

 

[Reformedguy]

Rather, if you believe the bible and reject Gnostic interpretations.

Howie simply rejects both gnostic and your Pelagian interpretations.

 

[fltom]

Howie simply rejects both gnostic and your Pelagian interpretations.

Rather, you both affirm the Gnostic explanation and reject the biblical explanation.

 

[Reformedguy]

Rather, you both affirm the Gnostic explanation and reject the biblical explanation.

Likewise. You both affirm the Pelagian explanation and reject the Biblical explanation.

 

[fltom]

Likewise. You both affirm the Pelagian explanation and reject the Biblical explanation.

This is the bible, but Calvinists do not believe the bible

Christ died for all

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore, as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Instead, they place their faith in the TULIP.

 

[Reformedguy]

This is the bible, but Calvinists do not believe the bible

Christ died for all

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore, as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Instead, they place their faith in the TULIP.

Provisionists don't bieve the Bible and insist on imposing their Pelagianism on the text. I pray God gives them repentance.

 

[fltom]

Provisionists don't bieve the Bible and insist on imposing their Pelagianism on the text. I pray God gives them repentance.

You ignored scripture and the bible.

John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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It's what the Calvinists must do to hold their theology.

 

[Reformedguy]

You ignored scripture and the bible.

John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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It's what the Calvinists must do to hold their theology.

You ignore scripture which is what Provisionist must do to hold to their Pelagianism.

 

[fltom]

You ignore scripture which is what Provisionist must do to hold to their Pelagianism.

Still no response from RG as he continues ignoring scripture

John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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[Reformedguy]

Still no response from RG as he continues ignoring scripture

John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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And Tom repeats himself and is still advocating his universalism.

 

[fltom]

And Tom repeats himself and is still advocating his universalism.

RG fabricates again

Christ died for all.

John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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but all are not saved.

 

[Howie]

RG fabricates again

Christ died for all.

John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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but all are not saved.

Then He couldn't have died for all.

 

[fltom]

Then He couldn't have died for all.

Howie denies scripture because he does not understand atonement and does not believe scripture

John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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[Howie]

Howie denies scripture because he does not understand atonement and does not believe scripture

John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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Christ could not have died for the sins of those in hell. It's one more quirk of your bad theology.

 

[fltom]

Christ could not have died for the sins of those in hell. It's one more quirk of your bad theology.

Its scripture Howie.

Why do you reject the word of God for the ideas of man?

John 1:29

Tom, Jesus didn't pay the penalty for anyone in hell. That's your bad theology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That Christ did for all is scripture Christ died for all 1 Timothy 2:4–6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator...

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