Scripture says Jesus atoned for the sins of the elect Church.
He did not atone for the sins of those condemned to hell forever.
John 1:29
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He did not atone for the sins of those condemned to hell forever.
Reformedguy
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LOL, back to the failure saviour? I'm sure He tries hard but man's will is just yo much to overcome right Pelagius?
Leatherneck0311
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He died for all to have the possibility of salvation. No belief no grace.
Look Mani, Scripture is truth
1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore, as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
When are you going to believe it?
Scripture states he died for all, and the free gift came upon all men
Romans 5:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
And those who receive it reign in life
Romans 5:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Reformedguy
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Tom teaches our Lord Jesus Christ fails to save His people from their sins. Fails to save those He came to save. Fails to save the "world".
He saves those that believe.
That is what scripture teaches.
John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Though he was given for the world
Reformedguy
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And tries his best to save those who don't right?
Why do you run from scripture
He saves those that believe.
That is what scripture teaches.
John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Though he was given for the world
His aim was to save those that believe, not to cause individually unconditionally selected men to believe.
Reformedguy
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And why is your saviour such a failure? "All that the Father gives to me WILL come me", except Tom says some don't.
Mr sola scriptura is not so sola scriptura.
He did not fail at all
His aim was to provide a means of salvation for all and to save those that believe
He accomplished that
Reformedguy
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Both
verses already given
John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Again, give up that Manichean Gnostic view of salvation, and believe scripture.
Reformedguy
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Both? Still waiting where it says Christ died to make salvation "possible", not certain.
Waiting on Pelagius to prove his view here.
The Manichean Gnostic (Mani) needs to read and believe scripture.
John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Reformedguy
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So nowhere does it say Christ died to make salvation possible.
Mr sola scriptura is not so sola scriptura.
Read for as change
John 3:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
all the world is not saved
those who believe however are
Reformedguy
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Still nothing about dying to simply make salvation possible. O ce again someone has a problem with God's omniscience. There is no "possible" with God.
You cannot escape the fact the term world is not a reference to the elect
Reformedguy
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Off he goes folks. That's how you know he has nothing.