lol! No, that is a conditional clause. Just because the word "if" is not stated does not mean it does not apply. The word "if" is stated three times in this passage, thereby making the conditional nature of the entire passage visible. Furthermore, as I have tried to emphasize, the passage must be read in light of whole scripture because any premise Jesus is producing fruitlessness of any kind is antithetical to his being the Son of God, the anointed one of God. Simply put, that would be a bad Christology.He says in verse 2 "every branch in ME." Then verse 6 says if they do not remain.
You seem to be denying that Jesus says they are in Him, but they are and what happens if they do not remain.
That was what i wanted to discuss here, what dynamic is Jesus teaching?
Your discussion did not touch on those ideas, it appeared that you just went about looking at scripture that supported something you were interested in talking about.
I have noticed the comfort with which several posters in this op make assumptions about each other and do so negatively, derisively, dismissively. At least one poster has noted the ad hominem nature of that content.You seem to be denying....
....it appeared that you just went about looking.....
I am going to ask you not to do that with me. Find some other wording to communicate any short comings thought to occur. If you are going to make assumptions about me, my motives, or the content of the posts then try to do so in an edifying manner. I am open to correction, but I don't read anyone finding any flaw with anything I have posted. If a flaw is found, then please state it plainly without impugning me personally in any way. Or better yet, ask instead of tell. I can clarify or articulate for myself anything that I haven't made clear.
It was just suggested verse 2 is a given, not a condition.
Okay. I can discuss that. Just do it without the ad hominems or straw men, please.
The reason verse 2 cannot be a given is because the logically necessary conclusion to that verse as a given is that Jesus produced bad branches. Jesus does not produce bad branches. A good plant does not produce bad fruit; it produces fruit of its kind and Jesus is the tree of life. I did in fact address this earlier. I did not overlook it or deny it. I addressed it in a direct and straightforward manner with directly scripturally self-relating scripture sampled from the whole of scripture.