John 3:16 says Jesus was sent to be the savior of all mankind. But Jesus' own words and actions prove otherwise.

sk0rpi0n

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Imagine a person runs for president and says he would help all people in his country. But then after becoming president, he begins to favor one group of people over another. Would you think he was being dishonest when he claimed he would be a president for ALL people? If your answer is "no", then let's apply the same standard to Jesus, whom the Bible calls the savior of the whole world in many passages, the most important being John 3:16 which declares "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". The verse summarizes the core Christian belief that Jesus was the son of God who was sent to save all people in the world. But, is that really true? A closer analysis of the New Testament reveals that it is not.

Proof 1: Jesus was not interested in saving gentiles and Samaritans.

In Matthew 10:5 we reed that Jesus instructed his disciples to avoid preaching to the Gentiles and Samaritans.
We ask, if Jesus was indeed sent to the world, as claimed in John 3:16, then why did he instruct his followers to avoid preaching to the gentiles and Samaritans? Were they not part of the "world"?

As a result of Jesus not sending his disciples to preach to the gentiles and Samaritans who lived during his time, many of them would have died without even hearing of the gospel. And according to the Christian doctrine that Jesus is the only way to be saved, all those poor gentiles and Samaritans would have died and gone to in hell. This is patently absurd and unjust, because they were never given a choice to accept or reject Jesus' message.

It cannot be honestly said that Jesus was sent to the world, because the Bible tells us that Jesus instructed his disciples to avoid gentiles and Samaritans, that is, everyone who was not a Jew.

Proof 2: Jesus' focus was on a very specific group of people.

In Matthew 10:6, following the verse we discussed earlier, we read that Jesus instructed his disciples to preach only to a very specific group of people, the lost sheep of Israel.

The idea that Jesus was not interested in saving gentiles because he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel also appears in Matthew 15:22-28. In that passage we reed that a Canaanite woman who recognizes Jesus as Messiah, begs him to help her suffering daughter. Jesus remains silent while his disciples are annoyed with her and ask Jesus to send her away. Jesus then tells her he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel and likens her to a DOG. It is only when the poor woman accepts her status as a dog that Jesus helps her. We ask, if Jesus was indeed sent to the world, as claimed in John 3:16, then why did he instruct his followers to go only to the lost sheep of Israel? Why did he hesitate to help the Canaanite woman who recognized him as messiah?

Since Jesus favored the Israelites over the gentiles, and because Israel cannot represent the entire world, Jesus' own words contradict the claim in John 3:16 that he was sent to the entire world. With regard to the Canaanite woman, she seemed to know about the messiah and even recognized Jesus as the messiah. Despite that, she had to grovel, beg and debase herself as a dog before Jesus decided to help her. Those are simply not the actions of someone who was sent to save the whole world.

It cannot be honestly said that Jesus was sent to the world, because the Bible tells us that Jesus was interested in saving only the Lost sheep of Israel, and was actually very harsh towards gentiles, even those who recognized him as the Messiah.

Proof 3: Jesus did not want certain people to be forgiven.

In Mark 4:11-12, we reed that Jesus spoke in parables for the sole purpose of preventing certain people from understanding his message, repenting and finding forgiveness.

We ask, if Jesus was indeed sent to the world, as claimed in John 3:16, then why would he not want everyone to understand his message, and repent and be forgiven? Did he not want to save all people?

Jesus spoke in parables in order to prevent certain people from gaining salvation. If Jesus spoke directly, many of those people would have understood Jesus' teachings, and would have repented and found forgiveness and salvation. Unfortunately for them, Jesus deliberately prevented that from happening.

It cannot be honestly said that Jesus was sent to the world, because the Bible tells us that Jesus did not want certain people, even among the Israelites, to repent and be forgiven. Rather, he wanted those people to remain ignorant, die in their sins and go to hell.

Proof 4: Jesus rejects many of his own followers.

In Matthew 7:21-23 we reed that Jesus would say to many people calling him "Lord" that he never knew them. He would also call them lawless and order them to get away.

We ask, if Jesus was indeed sent to the world, as claimed in John 3:16, then why would he reject as workers of lawlessness many people who accept him as "Lord"?
Note that those people not only called him "Lord" but also had the ability to prophesy, drive out demons and perform many miracles in Jesus' name. This directly contradicts Paul's claim in Romans 10:9 that anyone who confesses Jesus as "Lord" with their mouth would be saved. It also completely debunks the Christian idea that only those who accept Jesus as their Lord are saved. The deeper implication of this is that Christians should not be so sure of their salvation. They cannot guarantee themselves that they won't be among the people that Jesus would deny even knowing.

It cannot be honestly said that Jesus was sent to the world, because the Bible tells us that Jesus would reject many of his own followers.

In conclusion, Jesus was not concerned about saving everyone.

John 3:16 promises that Jesus was sent to the whole world and that whoever believes in Jesus shall be saved. But Jesus' own words and actions prove otherwise:

1. Jesus did not want to spread his message to the gentiles and Samaritans.
2. Jesus' focus was solely on the lost sheep of Israel.
3. Jesus acted to prevent many from understanding his message and repenting.
4. Jesus said he would reject many his own followers on the day of judgment.

In light of these facts, we can safely conclude that John 3:16 does not mean what it appears to be saying. In other words, Jesus was not sent to save everyone.
 
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Manfred

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Imagine a person runs for president and says he would help all people in his country. But then after becoming president, he begins to favor one group of people over another. Would you think he was being dishonest when he claimed he would be a president for ALL people? If your answer is "no", then let's apply the same standard to Jesus, whom the Bible calls the savior of the whole world in many passages, the most important being John 3:16 which declares "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". The verse summarizes the core Christian belief that Jesus was the son of God who was sent to save all people in the world. But, is that really true? A closer analysis of the New Testament reveals that it is not.

Proof 1: Jesus was not interested in saving gentiles and Samaritans.

In Matthew 10:5 we reed that Jesus instructed his disciples to avoid preaching to the Gentiles and Samaritans.
We ask, if Jesus was indeed sent to the world, as claimed in John 3:16, then why did he instruct his followers to avoid preaching to the gentiles and Samaritans? Were they not part of the "world"?

As a result of Jesus not sending his disciples to preach to the gentiles and Samaritans who lived during his time, many of them would have died without even hearing of the gospel. And according to the Christian doctrine that Jesus is the only way to be saved, all those poor gentiles and Samaritans would have died and gone to in hell. This is patently absurd and unjust, because they were never given a choice to accept or reject Jesus' message.

It cannot be honestly said that Jesus was sent to the world, because the Bible tells us that Jesus instructed his disciples to avoid gentiles and Samaritans, that is, everyone who was not a Jew.

Proof 2: Jesus' focus was on a very specific group of people.

In Matthew 10:6, following the verse we discussed earlier, we read that Jesus instructed his disciples to preach only to a very specific group of people, the lost sheep of Israel.

The idea that Jesus was not interested in saving gentiles because he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel also appears in Matthew 15:22-28. In that passage we reed that a Canaanite woman who recognizes Jesus as Messiah, begs him to help her suffering daughter. Jesus remains silent while his disciples are annoyed with her and ask Jesus to send her away. Jesus then tells her he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel and likens her to a DOG. It is only when the poor woman accepts her status as a dog that Jesus helps her. We ask, if Jesus was indeed sent to the world, as claimed in John 3:16, then why did he instruct his followers to go only to the lost sheep of Israel? Why did he hesitate to help the Canaanite woman who recognized him as messiah?

Since Jesus favored the Israelites over the gentiles, and because Israel cannot represent the entire world, Jesus' own words contradict the claim in John 3:16 that he was sent to the entire world. With regard to the Canaanite woman, she seemed to know about the messiah and even recognized Jesus as the messiah. Despite that, she had to grovel, beg and debase herself as a dog before Jesus decided to help her. Those are simply not the actions of someone who was sent to save the whole world.

It cannot be honestly said that Jesus was sent to the world, because the Bible tells us that Jesus was interested in saving only the Lost sheep of Israel, and was actually very harsh towards gentiles, even those who recognized him as the Messiah.

Proof 3: Jesus did not want certain people to be forgiven.

In Mark 4:11-12, we reed that Jesus spoke in parables for the sole purpose of preventing certain people from understanding his message, repenting and finding forgiveness.

We ask, if Jesus was indeed sent to the world, as claimed in John 3:16, then why would he not want everyone to understand his message, and repent and be forgiven? Did he not want to save all people?

Jesus spoke in parables in order to prevent certain people from gaining salvation. If Jesus spoke directly, many of those people would have understood Jesus' teachings, and would have repented and found forgiveness and salvation. Unfortunately for them, Jesus deliberately prevented that from happening.

It cannot be honestly said that Jesus was sent to the world, because the Bible tells us that Jesus did not want certain people, even among the Israelites, to repent and be forgiven. Rather, he wanted those people to remain ignorant, die in their sins and go to hell.

Proof 4: Jesus rejects many of his own followers.

In Matthew 7:21-23 we reed that Jesus would say to many people calling him "Lord" that he never knew them. He would also call them lawless and order them to get away.

We ask, if Jesus was indeed sent to the world, as claimed in John 3:16, then why would he reject as workers of lawlessness many people who accept him as "Lord"?
Note that those people not only called him "Lord" but also had the ability to prophesy, drive out demons and perform many miracles in Jesus' name. This directly contradicts Paul's claim in Romans 10:9 that anyone who confesses Jesus as "Lord" with their mouth would be saved. It also completely debunks the Christian idea that only those who accept Jesus as their Lord are saved. The deeper implication of this is that Christians should not be so sure of their salvation. They cannot guarantee themselves that they won't be among the people that Jesus would deny even knowing.

It cannot be honestly said that Jesus was sent to the world, because the Bible tells us that Jesus would reject many of his own followers.

In conclusion, Jesus was not concerned about saving everyone.

John 3:16 promises that Jesus was sent to the whole world and that whoever believes in Jesus shall be saved. But Jesus' own words and actions prove otherwise:

1. Jesus did not want to spread his message to the gentiles and Samaritans.
2. Jesus' focus was solely on the lost sheep of Israel.
3. Jesus acted to prevent many from understanding his message and repenting.
4. Jesus said he would reject many his own followers on the day of judgment.

In light of these facts, we can safely conclude that John 3:16 does not mean what it appears to be saying. In other words, Jesus was not sent to save everyone.
Who was He sent to save?
 
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Manfred

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According to Jesus' own words "the lost sheep of Israel".
So when John 3:16 Says that God so loved the World that He sent His only begotten son to save those in the whole world who will believe, you come to the conclusion that He meant only the lost sheep of Israel.

10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith. 11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And to the centurion Jesus said, Go; let it be done for you as you have believed. And the servant was healed at that very moment. (Matt 8 ESV)

Do you have faith in your heart that Jesus is the Son of God, and that His sacrifice covers your sin, and can you confess with your mouth that He is both LORD and Savior of your life?
 

sk0rpi0n

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So when John 3:16 Says that God so loved the World that He sent His only begotten son to save those in the whole world who will believe, you come to the conclusion that He meant only the lost sheep of Israel.

No. I'm saying Jesus' own words contradict John 3:16.

John 3:16 says Jesus was sent as a savior to the entire world. But Jesus says he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.
 

Manfred

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Again, John 3:16 does not say what you claim it says. Above you have left out those who believe which is very much a part of John 3:16.

So the invitation is to the whole world, but like you, the whole world will not believe.

Look carefully again at this:
10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith. 11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And to the centurion Jesus said, Go; let it be done for you as you have believed. And the servant was healed at that very moment. (Matt 8 ESV)

Jesus's earthly ministry was to the Jewish nation first and moved beyond.
When God says He so loved the world, he did not mean only lost sheep of Israel only, although it first and foremost included them.

24 He answered, I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, Lord, help me. 26 And he answered, It is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs. 27 She said, Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table. 28 Then Jesus answered her, O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire. And her daughter was healed instantly. (Matt 15)

Do you see the context above if you read the passage to it's conclusion.
Salvation by faith, even to the "dogs" that eat the crumbs that fell from the table.
 

Arch Stanton

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No. I'm saying Jesus' own words contradict John 3:16.

John 3:16 says Jesus was sent as a savior to the entire world. But Jesus says he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.
Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

Acts 9:31 The CHURCH THROUGHOUT all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria was at peace. It was being built up and walked in the fear of the Lord, and with the consolation of the holy Spirit it grew in numbers.

Mt 28:19-20 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, TEACHING THEM to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you ALWAYS, until the END OF THE AGE.”
 

Gary Mac

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5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Try, if it is possible, to understand Jesus didnt say dont go to the Gentiles into the city of Samatitians, the Gentils didnt follow the way of Christ. He said go as he goes instead of the way of the Gentiles. You are commenting in total ignorance about a subject you know nothing about.
 

e v e

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1. Jesus did not want to spread his message to the gentiles and Samaritans.
Christ came to this earth to restore his hebrew souls. physical ape body races are not the point except when, however, certain terms are used transcendently as archetypes... and there represent canaan (satanic realm) and are negative terms which Christ plays out in parable form.

we also see in scripture examples that specific souls who were supposedly samaritan or gentile are indeed hebrew souls. and some who were jews are not hebrew souls.

2. Jesus' focus was solely on the lost sheep of Israel.
true . because that is the current focus of the war.

when eden (in the other world)
fell to the enemy, the original souls of eden went north.

after those are restored to eden at the change, many millions more will come home and receive their imperishable body and live in paradise with God.

3. Jesus acted to prevent many from understanding his message and repenting.

He made no effort for the esaus (of the satan realm) to understand. Or the carnal Self to understand. To His souls, He speaks to their soul, not the mind. And what he says will make no sense to esaus. To them he has nothing to say.

4. Jesus said he would reject many his own followers on the day of judgment.
Even satan follows and believes, yet is not with christ. God can tell who is with Him.

In light of these facts, we can safely conclude that John 3:16 does not mean what it appears to be saying. In other words, Jesus was not sent to save everyone.

He came to save all His souls. not everyone is His.

All of scripture is congruous. If it seems not so, its a bad translation or failure at understanding.
 

Gary Mac

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Christ came to this earth to restore his hebrew souls. physical ape body races are not the point except when, however, certain terms are used transcendently as archetypes... and there represent canaan (satanic realm) and are negative terms which Christ plays out in parable form.

we also see in scripture examples that specific souls who were supposedly samaritan or gentile are indeed hebrew souls. and some who were jews are not hebrew souls.


true . because that is the current focus of the war.

when eden (in the other world)
fell to the enemy, the original souls of eden went north.

after those are restored to eden at the change, many millions more will come home and receive their imperishable body and live in paradise with God.



He made no effort for the esaus (of the satan realm) to understand. Or the carnal Self to understand. To His souls, He speaks to their soul, not the mind. And what he says will make no sense to esaus. To them he has nothing to say.


Even satan follows and believes, yet is not with christ. God can tell who is with Him.



He came to save all His souls. not everyone is His.

All of scripture is congruous. If it seems not so, its a bad translation or failure at understanding.
Actually he came to show you how and what it is to be restored by God Himself be in you Who does the restoration into His kingdom. Not many believe Jesus at all that the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation but is withn you, rejecting the very thing that God sent him to teach you.
 

e v e

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Actually he came to show you how and what it is to be restored by God Himself be in you Who does the restoration into His kingdom. Not many believe Jesus at all that the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation but is withn you, rejecting the very thing that God sent him to teach you.
thank you for sharing your religious beliefs.
 

Gary Mac

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thank you for sharing your religious beliefs.
Actually the manifestation of God in me is not a belief at all. Jesus didnt believe in God, God was manifest in him the same. Your beliefs of a god of eden and yet to manifest is a belief. Beliefs are not real at all. One can believe anything as you do about a god but God manifest in a soul is not a belief at all but reality of. You chase a pipe dream just as people have been for thousands of years looking for a god to come and save them when all the while He is waiting for them to come to Him.
 
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Theo1689

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No. I'm saying Jesus' own words contradict John 3:16.

The most common problem in apologetics is that people think they have perfect understanding of Scripture, and refuse to consider the possibility that their interpretation might possibly be incorrect.

Jesus' own words do NOT "contradict John 3:16".

John 3:16 says Jesus was sent as a savior to the entire world. But Jesus says he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.

But what does "the entire world" mean (and by the way, why did you ADD the word, "world", which is not found in John 3:16)?

You seem to be ASSUMING that it means, "every single individual".
It does not.
All it means is that the scope of benefit of Jesus' death is INCREASED beyond, "just Jews". That doesn't automatically include, "everyone".
 

Bonnie

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According to Jesus' own words "the lost sheep of Israel".
Jesus' ministry on earth was brief. It only lasted for a little over 3 years. In His earthly ministry, He came for the lost sheep of Israel. He knew full well that after Him, the Jews would take the Gospel message to the Gentiles. In John 10:16, He said He had other sheep not of this fold, who would listen to His voice, and they too would be u der one Shepherd. He meant the Gentiles.

He healed the Gentile Centurian's servant, and drove a demon out of a Gentile woman's daughter, who wanted only a crumb of healing for her. The greatest praise He ever gave to anyone for faith was to these 2 Gentiles. NOT to Jews.

In Luke 4, Jesus shows the people in the synagogue that God cares even for Gentiles. He pointed out that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah's time, but during that terrible drought, God did not send him to an Israelite woman, but to a Gentile woman in Sidon, to stay with her. He then reminded them that Naaman the leper, a Syrian, and thus, a Gentile, was cleansed of leprosy--while lepers in Israel remained sick. His listeners were so furious at this, that they tried to throw Jesus off a cliff. They were outraged at the idea that God cares even for Gentiles.

Jesus sent Paul to preach the Gospel mainly to Gentiles. Peter brought the Gospel to a Roman soldier and his family and friends.

So no, Jesus did not come to suffer and die ONLY for the Jews, "not for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2 :22)... For "God so loved the WORLD..." Not just the Jews.

Never, ever isolate Bible verses, but take the entire Biblical witness into consideration. Then you will get the whole picture.:)
 
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Bonnie

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The most common problem in apologetics is that people think they have perfect understanding of Scripture, and refuse to consider the possibility that their interpretation might possibly be incorrect.

Jesus' own words do NOT "contradict John 3:16".



But what does "the entire world" mean (and by the way, why did you ADD the word, "world", which is not found in John 3:16)?

You seem to be ASSUMING that it means, "every single individual".
It does not.
All it means is that the scope of benefit of Jesus' death is INCREASED beyond, "just Jews". That doesn't automatically include, "everyone".
Pardon me, Theo, but "world" is in John 3:16...did you mean "entire" is not in John 3:16? :)
 

Gary Mac

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Jesus' ministry on earth was brief. It only lasted for a little over 3 years. In His earthly ministry, He came for the lost sheep of Israel. He knew full well that after Him, the Jews would take the Gospel message to the Gentiles. In John 10:16, He said He had other sheep not of this fold, who would listen to His voice, and they too would be u der one Shepherd. He meant the Gentiles.

He healed the Gentile Centurian's servant, and drove a demon out of a Gentile woman's daughter, who wanted only a crumb of healing for her. The greatest praise He ever gave to anyone for faith was to these 2 Gentiles. NOT to Jews.

In Luke 4, Jesus shows the people in the synagogue that God cares even for Gentiles. He pointed out that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah's time, but during that terrible drought, God did not send him to an Israelite woman, but to a Gentile woman in Sidon, to stay with her. He then reminded them that Naaman the leper, a Syrian, and thus, a Gentile, was cleansed of leprosy--while lepers in Israel remained sick. His listeners were so furious at this, that they tried to throw Jesus off a cliff. They were outraged at the idea that God cares even for Gentiles.

Jesus sent Paul to preach the Gospel mainly to Gentiles. Peter brought the Gospel to a Roman soldier and his family and friends.

So no, Jesus did not come to suffer and die ONLY for the Jews, "not for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2 :22)... For "God so loved the WORLD..." Not just the Jews.

Never, ever isolate Bible verses, but take the entire Biblical witness into consideration. Then you will get the whole picture.:)
Jesus came with the same message Adam came with which was to become like God to know this difference. Abraham came with ths same message to receieve from God to be like Him. Moses came with the same message, to be like Him. Jesus came with this same message to be like Him, 120 came with this same message to be like Him.

The message Jesus came with was nothing new, God demands it of us from the beginning to be as He is and in His same image. Jesus was sent by God to show you a better way of undersyanding what it is to recieve from God as he did in yourself. Religous folk always has the need to incert their religous beliefs from opinions instead of being like Him as He demands of us from the very beginning to know the difference to be like Him by His Spirit from the opinions of man. Gen 3;22.
 

sk0rpi0n

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You seem to be ASSUMING that it means, "every single individual".
It does not.
All it means is that the scope of benefit of Jesus' death is INCREASED beyond, "just Jews". That doesn't automatically include, "everyone".

oh ok. Then it means the statement "whoever believes in him shall not perish..." also doesn't really mean all who believe in him. The problem is just moved to the other part of the verse.
 

Theo1689

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oh ok. Then it means the statement "whoever believes in him shall not perish..." also doesn't really mean all who believe in him. The problem is just moved to the other part of the verse.

I don't know... Maybe English isn't your first language?
You seem to have a very domineering and uncharitable attitude towards others.

Let me explain something to you, okay?
It's not, "whoever believes".
It's "whoever believes."

The limiting factor is not "whoever" (which I guess you assume makes it universal or something?), the limiting factor is "believes". It is limited to ONLY believers, and EXCLUDES unbelievers. The "whoever" simply means that all of those in the subgroup of "believers" are included, but that still doesn't include "unbelievers".

If I say, "WHOEVER is over 6 feet tall", that EXCLUDES me, because I'm short.
If I say, "WHOEVER is a bank teller", that EXCLUDES me, because I'm not a bank teller.
If I say, "WHOEVER is an American", that EXCLUDES me, because I'm not an American.

If I say, "WHOEVER believes", that EXCLUDES Sam Harris, because he's not a believer.

"Whoever" doesn't mean "everyone universally".

oh ok. Then it means the statement "whoever believes in him shall not perish..." also doesn't really mean all who believe in him.

Of course it does.
It is "whoever" of the GROUP OF BELIEVERS.

The problem is just moved to the other part of the verse.

Why are you so insistent on trying to find a "problem" that doesn't exist?
And why are you so insecure that you can't deal with anyone DARING to disagree with your OPINION?
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Jesus came with the same message Adam came with which was to become like God to know this difference.

Jesus came to save us from our sins by dying on the cross. Before the fall, Adam was perfect and had perfect fellowship with God.
Abraham came with ths same message to receieve from God to be like Him. Moses came with the same message, to be like Him. Jesus came with this same message to be like Him, 120 came with this same message to be like Him.

Abraham was the ancestor of the Jewish people, through whom the Messiah would come. Moses came to lead the children of Israel to the promised land, and to give the people the Law. All that was fulfilled in Christ Jesus and His sacrifice of Himself on the cross. Now we can have the ultimate promised land after death--heaven, with Jesus Christ.
The message Jesus came with was nothing new, God demands it of us from the beginning to be as He is and in His same image. Jesus was sent by God to show you a better way of undersyanding what it is to recieve from God as he did in yourself. Religous folk always has the need to incert their religous beliefs from opinions instead of being like Him as He demands of us from the very beginning to know the difference to be like Him by His Spirit from the opinions of man. Gen 3;22.
Jesus did not come to show us a "better way of understanding". Jesus came to suffer and die for our sins, on the cross, so we can have forgiveness of sins and be reconciled to God.

Honestly, why do you make so complicated what is so simple?
 
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