John 5:19 - Is Jesus limited to what the Father does?

Nothing in Daniel 9 says anything about delivering from sin.
Read the first part of the chapter. The prophecy of the seventy weeks is all about deliverance from sin.
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. The numbers in the prophecy are symbolic designed to pin point the timing of the Messiah's arrival which places it at the generation when Jesus began His ministry.
 
Karet means cutoff or killed. Israel was certainly cutoff and its people killed following the 62 weeks.
The Messiah is killed after the seven weeks before the city is destroyed that does not apply to Israel. I am going to bed. Go get a nap and a cookie.
 
Read the first part of the chapter. The prophecy of the seventy weeks is all about deliverance from sin.
True, my point was that the two anointed don't end sin.

BTW, sin didn't end here.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,
Cyrus gave the word to rebuild Jerusalem. Jesus never did.

Sin didn't end after 62 weeks either.

and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Yep, Israel.
 
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The Messiah is killed after the seven weeks before the city is destroyed that does not apply to Israel. I am going to bed. Go get a nap and a cookie.
Enjoy your warm milk and cookie 🍪. Ironically, you're the one going to bed. Rotfl...

The anointed isn't cutoff after 7 weeks. ;)
 
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Quoting the New Testament means nothing to me.

Hosea 14:2 The words of our lips (prayers) shall be as bullocks (sacrifices).

You've been in this room a while. Why are you asking questions that we have already answered before?
Leviticus 17:11; Hebrews 9:22

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fFor the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar gto make atonement for your souls, hfor it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and fwithout the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
 
Leviticus 17:11; Hebrews 9:22

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fFor the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar gto make atonement for your souls, hfor it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and fwithout the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
So, Hebrews is mistaken as there are several examples in Tanakh where God forgave without blood sacrifices.

Another point which has been told to you is that the very commandment you call out in Lev 17:11 requires an altar. So, Jesus' blood sacrifice isn't acceptable, besides the fact that human sacrifices are an abomination.
 
Quoting the New Testament means nothing to me.

Hosea 14:2 The words of our lips (prayers) shall be as bullocks (sacrifices).

You've been in this room a while. Why are you asking questions that we have already answered before?
I guess he believes that falsehoods that are repeated will somehow become true.
 
Leviticus 17:11; Hebrews 9:22

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fFor the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar gto make atonement for your souls, hfor it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and fwithout the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Leviticus 17:11 does NOT mean that blood sacrifices are necessary. It only explains why they are valuable. But for example, the poor could bring grain for sin offerings. And in one instance, Aaron made atonement for Israel using incense.

Leviticus 5
11 “‘If, however, they cannot afford two doves or two young pigeons, they are to bring as an offering for their sin a tenth of an ephah[b] of the finest flour for a sin offering. They must not put olive oil or incense on it, because it is a sin offering. 12 They are to bring it to the priest, who shall take a handful of it as a memorial[c] portion and burn it on the altar on top of the food offerings presented to the Lord. It is a sin offering. 13 In this way the priest will make atonement for them for any of these sins they have committed, and they will be forgiven. The rest of the offering will belong to the priest, as in the case of the grain offering.’”

Numbers 16
46 Then Moses said to Aaron, “Take your censer and put incense in it, along with burning coals from the altar, and hurry to the assembly to make atonement for them. Wrath has come out from the Lord; the plague has started.” 47 So Aaron did as Moses said, and ran into the midst of the assembly. The plague had already started among the people, but Aaron offered the incense and made atonement for them.

You need to accept that the ONLY place that teaches that blood sacrifice is necessary is Hebrews, and like I've said so many times before, I could care less what the New Testament says.
 
Cyrus gave the word to rebuild Jerusalem. Jesus never did.
Cyrus gave word to rebuild the temple. Another King gave the order to rebuild the city. The Messiah appears after the temple is built and killed before the city is destroyed again. Jesus fulfilled that.
 
Karet means cutoff or killed. Israel was certainly cutoff and its people killed following the 62 weeks.
The sixty two weeks is the time designated to rebuild the city. It is symbolic. Israel was removed from the land after the city was destroyed. Jesus was killed before the city was destroyed and fulfilled the prophecy. When all the time frames in the prophecy are added and converted to years it ends up at the generation when Jesus began His ministry.
 
Enjoy your warm milk and cookie 🍪. Ironically, you're the one going to bed. Rotfl...

The anointed isn't cutoff after 7 weeks. ;)
The seven weeks designates the time that the temple was rebuilt. The numbers are symbolic. Jesus arrived after the temple was built.
 
The sixty two weeks is the time designated to rebuild the city. It is symbolic.
Symbolic? So the numbers means nothing?

Israel was removed from the land after the city was destroyed.
Yes, after 62 weeks. And in the midst of the last week, Rome stopped the daily sacrifices.

Jesus was killed before the city was destroyed and fulfilled the prophecy.
That's nice.

When all the time frames in the prophecy are added and converted to years it ends up at the generation when Jesus began His ministry.
Rotfl... you said above the weeks are symbolic.
 
This is talking about Israel being built again after the captivity. They returned, Messiah came was rejected and the city was destroyed.
Yes, Israel the anointed returned, was cutoff and the city destroyed.

Where and when did Jesus end sin?
 
Leviticus 17:11 does NOT mean that blood sacrifices are necessary. It only explains why they are valuable. But for example, the poor could bring grain for sin offerings. And in one instance, Aaron made atonement for Israel using incense.

Leviticus 5
11 “‘If, however, they cannot afford two doves or two young pigeons, they are to bring as an offering for their sin a tenth of an ephah[b] of the finest flour for a sin offering. They must not put olive oil or incense on it, because it is a sin offering. 12 They are to bring it to the priest, who shall take a handful of it as a memorial[c] portion and burn it on the altar on top of the food offerings presented to the Lord. It is a sin offering. 13 In this way the priest will make atonement for them for any of these sins they have committed, and they will be forgiven. The rest of the offering will belong to the priest, as in the case of the grain offering.’”

Numbers 16
46 Then Moses said to Aaron, “Take your censer and put incense in it, along with burning coals from the altar, and hurry to the assembly to make atonement for them. Wrath has come out from the Lord; the plague has started.” 47 So Aaron did as Moses said, and ran into the midst of the assembly. The plague had already started among the people, but Aaron offered the incense and made atonement for them.

You need to accept that the ONLY place that teaches that blood sacrifice is necessary is Hebrews, and like I've said so many times before, I could care less what the New Testament says.
The Book of Leviticus, the book which is dedicated in detail to the sacrifices and atonement for sins, talks about atonement 49 times! Each time, the context is always the blood sacrifices. Why blood is so important to God?
In Leviticus 17:10, God commands not to eat blood, and in the next verse, He explains why the blood is so important: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.” (Lev. 17:11)
According to Leviticus 5, even the poor, who had no money to buy an animal and sacrifice it, needed to bring fine flour to the high priest, and what did the high priest absorb the flour in? In the blood on the altar, and then sacrificed it. So what will happen if a rabbi comes and claims that the blood sacrifice is only one of the ways for forgiveness of sins, but not the only way?
Let’s quote again the words of Rabbi Asor: “There are various methods to obtain forgiveness of sins, like repentance, prayer and charity… Sacrifice offerings is the less preferred way.” Rabbi Asor contradicts himself, as he claimed at first that this is a pagan idolatry custom, but now, he is compromising by saying that it is possible to obtain forgiveness of sins through the offering of a sacrifice but that God is not really interested in that. The answer to this is simple, this is a modern excuse in order to hide the need for Jesus from us, the Messiah who’s blood was shed as a sacrifice for our sins.

The Jewish researcher, Professor Geza Vermes wrote: “According to Jewish theology, there can be no expiation without the shedding of blood.”

Also Professor Bruch Levin, in his commentary on Leviticus wrote: “Expiation by means of sacrificial blood-rites is a prerequisite for securing God’s forgiveness. As the rabbis expressed it, there is no ritual expiation except by means of blood.”
To conclude, Rabbi Asor and those like him, will prefer to contradict the Sages and even the Law of Moses, only so they won’t have to deal with God’s demand of blood for forgiveness of sins, and with the fact that Jesus the Messiah, He is the One who provided for this need. Jesus is not only the Priest who offers a sacrifice for us, but He in Himself, is the High Priest, who shed His blood as a sacrifice for our sins, once and for all. (Credits One For Israel)
 
The Book of Leviticus, the book which is dedicated in detail to the sacrifices and atonement for sins, talks about atonement 49 times! Each time, the context is always the blood sacrifices. Why blood is so important to God?
In Leviticus 17:10, God commands not to eat blood, and in the next verse, He explains why the blood is so important: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.” (Lev. 17:11)
Yep, blood sacrifices belong on an altar.

According to Leviticus 5, even the poor, who had no money to buy an animal and sacrifice it, needed to bring fine flour to the high priest, and what did the high priest absorb the flour in? In the blood on the altar, and then sacrificed it.
This is false. Flour offering doesn't involve any blood. That's the whole point of avoiding an additional expense for the poor. ;)

So what will happen if a rabbi comes and claims that the blood sacrifice is only one of the ways for forgiveness of sins, but not the only way?
See above.

Let’s quote again the words of Rabbi Asor: “There are various methods to obtain forgiveness of sins, like repentance, prayer and charity… Sacrifice offerings is the less preferred way.” Rabbi Asor contradicts himself, as he claimed at first that this is a pagan idolatry custom, but now, he is compromising by saying that it is possible to obtain forgiveness of sins through the offering of a sacrifice but that God is not really interested in that.
Blood sacrifices of humans is idolatrous.

The answer to this is simple, this is a modern excuse in order to hide the need for Jesus from us, the Messiah who’s blood was shed as a sacrifice for our sins.
Not at all.

The Jewish researcher, Professor Geza Vermes wrote: “According to Jewish theology, there can be no expiation without the shedding of blood.”
See above.

Also Professor Bruch Levin, in his commentary on Leviticus wrote: “Expiation by means of sacrificial blood-rites is a prerequisite for securing God’s forgiveness. As the rabbis expressed it, there is no ritual expiation except by means of blood.”
To conclude, Rabbi Asor and those like him, will prefer to contradict the Sages and even the Law of Moses, only so they won’t have to deal with God’s demand of blood for forgiveness of sins, and with the fact that Jesus the Messiah, He is the One who provided for this need. Jesus is not only the Priest who offers a sacrifice for us, but He in Himself, is the High Priest, who shed His blood as a sacrifice for our sins, once and for all. (Credits One For Israel)
Disproved above. Jesus was never a High Priest and neither was Melchizedek. ;)
 
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