Yodas_Prodigy
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23 Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?”
There has been misunderstanding regarding this passage. There are those who believe John is still alive on Earth awaiting Christ's return. We all know that John did eventually die. So, what did Jesus mean by this comment?
Well, this goes back to the idea of what does Jesus mean by "come"? Jesus through John uses the word "come" 11 times in the first three chapters of Revelation. Some examples:
1:4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
2:5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.
2:16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.
2:25 But hold fast what you have till I come.
3:1 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
And the Olivet Discourse:
Matth 23:36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Matth 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
Jesus made it clear that John would be alive until he "come". “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?” John is believed to have lived in to his 90's.
What did Jesus mean by "come"? I think it means 70 AD. This is when the Old Covenant was completely wiped away, Israel was judged, and Christ was glorified as Lord from His Throne in Heaven...
Just because the word "come" is used in a passage regarding Jesus doesn't mean His Physical return... Yes, I believe in Physical return of Christ... Just not related to the Olivet Discourse...
Before you jump into the pool of debate, deal with the opening verse 23
There has been misunderstanding regarding this passage. There are those who believe John is still alive on Earth awaiting Christ's return. We all know that John did eventually die. So, what did Jesus mean by this comment?
Well, this goes back to the idea of what does Jesus mean by "come"? Jesus through John uses the word "come" 11 times in the first three chapters of Revelation. Some examples:
1:4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
2:5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.
2:16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.
2:25 But hold fast what you have till I come.
3:1 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
And the Olivet Discourse:
Matth 23:36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Matth 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
Jesus made it clear that John would be alive until he "come". “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?” John is believed to have lived in to his 90's.
What did Jesus mean by "come"? I think it means 70 AD. This is when the Old Covenant was completely wiped away, Israel was judged, and Christ was glorified as Lord from His Throne in Heaven...
Just because the word "come" is used in a passage regarding Jesus doesn't mean His Physical return... Yes, I believe in Physical return of Christ... Just not related to the Olivet Discourse...
Before you jump into the pool of debate, deal with the opening verse 23