dberrie2020
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What is the answer according to the immediate context? “24. "Most assuredly I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has eternal life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.25. Most assuredly I say to you, that an hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those having heard shall live. 26. For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27. and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.” (Joh 5:24-27, EMTV)
Marvel not that the one who hears the true Jesus and believe in Him who sent Jesus has eternal life. It is has eternal life rather than will have eternal life. The ones which have eternal life through faith in the true Jesus will not come into judgement.
Do you believe in the true Jesus? Do you hear the true Jesus and believe in Him who sent the true Jesus? If you do then why don't you think Jesus was telling the truth? Why do you think to your own eternal condemnation if you don't repent that those who hear the true Jesus and believe in Him who sent the true Jesus do not have eternal life and will come into judgement?
Surely you recognize that those who have eternal life will necessarily be raised unto eternal life and those that do not have eternal life will necessarily be raised unto damnation." https://forums.carm.org/threads/the-athanasian-creed.7776/post-555661
Whenever I post John5:28-29--which testifies all men will be judged according to their works--and that for life or damnation--IE:
John 5:28-29---King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
...I often find those who counter with John5:24:
John 5:24---New American Standard Bible
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
IOW, according to those who post John5:24--John5:28-29 really comes into question, as those who inherit eternal life really aren't judged according to their works--and that for life or damnation. John5:28-29 is just an "out of context" quote.
The Athanasian creed also affirms John5:28-29:
Athanasian Creed
39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;
40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;
42. and shall give account of their own works.
43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.
There are translations which translate John5:24 in a different manner:
John 5:24---King James Version
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
IOW--those who have believed in Christ won't be condemned--that term being the equivalent of "come into judgment" found in other translations.
That translation, IE--"condemnation" is compatible with John5:28-29---but claiming it means they won't come into any judgment isn't. Those who believe in Christ--Judgment unto condemnation, no--but still--a judgment according to works.
So--my question to the Lutherans: how do you comport John5:24(does not come into judgment) with John5:28-29--and the numerous testimonies all men will be judged according to works--if you maintain the "does not come unto judgment" means no judgment according to works?
2 Corinthians 5:10---King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
1 Peter 1:16-17---King James Version (KJV)
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Romans 2:5-11----King James Version (KJV)
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Matthew 16:27---King James Version
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
How does one fit that into faith alone theology?