Joseph Smith the Witch

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Witchcraft is forbidden in the Bible, yet Joseph Smith practiced divining, using a seer stone, which is a form of witchcraft. He also participated in an animal sacrifice in regard to controlling demonic entities. Why would Mormons want to believe the words of such an evil seducer as Joseph Smith. He even used his powers to convince people that marrying more than one wife was just fine and commanded by his "god." When Mormons stand before the judgment seat of the True and Living God, they will be without excuse:

 
Witchcraft is forbidden in the Bible, yet Joseph Smith practiced divining, using a seer stone, which is a form of witchcraft. He also participated in an animal sacrifice in regard to controlling demonic entities. Why would Mormons want to believe the words of such an evil seducer as Joseph Smith. He even used his powers to convince people that marrying more than one wife was just fine and commanded by his "god." When Mormons stand before the judgment seat of the True and Living God, they will be without excuse:

A simple google search show evidence of divining by those in the Bible.

Here's what I found in one of the top results:
"Joseph in Pharaoh's service once said to his steward and instructed him to go and find the cup Joseph used to drink from and use for divination. The cup was found in his visiting brother Benjamin's sack. Joseph said to his shamed brothers, "What is this you have done? Don't you know that a man like me can find things out by divination?" [Genesis 44:1-15, excerpts]. This divinator became a Pharaoh's helper.
The Israelites got their various areas to live in assigned by lot - as commanded from above through Moses. [Joshua 14;1-2] Casting of lots is one form of divination. Moses instigated it among the Israelites, and Joshua carried it on.

A garment-like "tool" called ephod was designed to serve as a divining object. It served divination and was specified for Israelite priests and leaders in Exodus 28. "This is to be a lasting ordinance for Aaron and his descendants. [Ex. 28:1-43; 39:2-5 and elsewhere]. [Exodus 28:1-43]

High priests might divine by using the ephod. Judge Samuel wore the ephod when he served before the tabernacle at Shiloh (1 Sam 2:18). The ephod proper (Ex. 28:6-8; 39:2-5) was worn outside the robe. It seems to have been "kept in place by a girdle and by shoulder pieces, from which hung the breast piece (or pouch) containing the sacred lots (divinatory objects), Urim and Thummim, whose precise function is now unknown," writes Encyclopedia Britannica. Thus, the ephod was part of the ceremonial dress of the high priest of ancient Israel. The ephod was also used for oracular purposes, together with the two stones Urim and Thummim. The books of Samuel imply that whenever Saul or David wished to question Yahweh via oracular methods, they asked a priest for the ephod. [◦More] Joshua, before the Lord, learnt to ask of a stone called Urim, on God's command [Numbers 27:18,20,21].

Samuel wore a linen ephod he used. [1 Samuel 2]

One day King Saul inquired of Yahweh, but Yahweh did not answer him by dreams or [the stone] Urim or prophets. Saul then said to his attendants, "Find me a woman who is a medium." - "Bring up Samuel," he said to her. Samuel, who was dead, rose out of the ground said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up? . . . Tomorrow you and your sons will be with me [that is: dead]." [See 1 Samuel 28:4-19. Extracts]

David took over. "I have become like a portent to many," said he [Psalms 71:6-8]. Once and once again David inquired of the Lord, saying, "Shall I go and attack these Philistines?" Yahweh answered him.

When David soon after learned that Saul was plotting against him, he sent for the ephod (divination tool) and got answers to queries from Yahweh thereby [1 Samuel 23] The Lord was asked by divining routines, and sometimes he answered.

At another time David's two wives had been captured. David called on a priest, saying, "Bring me the ephod," and David inquired of the Lord, "Shall I pursue this raiding party? Will I overtake them?" - "Pursue them," was the answer. [1 Samuel 30:1-19]. David repeatedly took to divination as a way of asking the Lord.
Later, when David brought up the ark of God to Jerusalem, he was wearing a linen ephod and danced with all his might, leaping and dancing before the Lord, as it says. 2 Samuel 6-14]

To be left without divination appeared to be a serious punishment by God, for according to Micah he said: "Night will come over you, without visions, and darkness, without divination [Micah 3:5-6]

Elisha was suffering from an illness when King Jehoash of Israel visited him. Elisha said to him, "Get a bow and some arrows. Open the east window, and shoot!" It was done. "The Lord's arrow of victory, the arrow of victory over Aram!" Elisha declared. "You will completely destroy the Arameans at Aphek." Then he said, "Take the arrows. Strike the ground." The king then struck it three times and stopped. The man of God was angry with him and said, "You should have struck the ground five or six times; then you would have defeated Aram and completely destroyed it. But now you will defeat it only three times." [2 Kings 13]

In 1 Samuel 8 and many other places, the diviner is greater than a mere king, unless the king is a diviner too.

Simple tables help one to discern a little better. Searches had better be done with proficiency. Awkward divination may not bring good results. And, finally, do not forget to apply rational inquiry to results to see to that things go well. Neat practice also depends on cultivating inner clarity, and being able to enjoy somehow. [More]

Moses is called OK in the Bible; he had been raised by Egyptians in a good land back then. Good company is something to thank for [cf. Acts 7:20-2]." (Source)
 
A simple google search show evidence of divining by those in the Bible.

Here's what I found in one of the top results:
"Joseph in Pharaoh's service once said to his steward and instructed him to go and find the cup Joseph used to drink from and use for divination. The cup was found in his visiting brother Benjamin's sack. Joseph said to his shamed brothers, "What is this you have done? Don't you know that a man like me can find things out by divination?" [Genesis 44:1-15, excerpts]. This divinator became a Pharaoh's helper.
The Israelites got their various areas to live in assigned by lot - as commanded from above through Moses. [Joshua 14;1-2] Casting of lots is one form of divination. Moses instigated it among the Israelites, and Joshua carried it on.

A garment-like "tool" called ephod was designed to serve as a divining object. It served divination and was specified for Israelite priests and leaders in Exodus 28. "This is to be a lasting ordinance for Aaron and his descendants. [Ex. 28:1-43; 39:2-5 and elsewhere]. [Exodus 28:1-43]

High priests might divine by using the ephod. Judge Samuel wore the ephod when he served before the tabernacle at Shiloh (1 Sam 2:18). The ephod proper (Ex. 28:6-8; 39:2-5) was worn outside the robe. It seems to have been "kept in place by a girdle and by shoulder pieces, from which hung the breast piece (or pouch) containing the sacred lots (divinatory objects), Urim and Thummim, whose precise function is now unknown," writes Encyclopedia Britannica. Thus, the ephod was part of the ceremonial dress of the high priest of ancient Israel. The ephod was also used for oracular purposes, together with the two stones Urim and Thummim. The books of Samuel imply that whenever Saul or David wished to question Yahweh via oracular methods, they asked a priest for the ephod. [◦More] Joshua, before the Lord, learnt to ask of a stone called Urim, on God's command [Numbers 27:18,20,21].

Samuel wore a linen ephod he used. [1 Samuel 2]

One day King Saul inquired of Yahweh, but Yahweh did not answer him by dreams or [the stone] Urim or prophets. Saul then said to his attendants, "Find me a woman who is a medium." - "Bring up Samuel," he said to her. Samuel, who was dead, rose out of the ground said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up? . . . Tomorrow you and your sons will be with me [that is: dead]." [See 1 Samuel 28:4-19. Extracts]

David took over. "I have become like a portent to many," said he [Psalms 71:6-8]. Once and once again David inquired of the Lord, saying, "Shall I go and attack these Philistines?" Yahweh answered him.

When David soon after learned that Saul was plotting against him, he sent for the ephod (divination tool) and got answers to queries from Yahweh thereby [1 Samuel 23] The Lord was asked by divining routines, and sometimes he answered.

At another time David's two wives had been captured. David called on a priest, saying, "Bring me the ephod," and David inquired of the Lord, "Shall I pursue this raiding party? Will I overtake them?" - "Pursue them," was the answer. [1 Samuel 30:1-19]. David repeatedly took to divination as a way of asking the Lord.
Later, when David brought up the ark of God to Jerusalem, he was wearing a linen ephod and danced with all his might, leaping and dancing before the Lord, as it says. 2 Samuel 6-14]

To be left without divination appeared to be a serious punishment by God, for according to Micah he said: "Night will come over you, without visions, and darkness, without divination [Micah 3:5-6]

Elisha was suffering from an illness when King Jehoash of Israel visited him. Elisha said to him, "Get a bow and some arrows. Open the east window, and shoot!" It was done. "The Lord's arrow of victory, the arrow of victory over Aram!" Elisha declared. "You will completely destroy the Arameans at Aphek." Then he said, "Take the arrows. Strike the ground." The king then struck it three times and stopped. The man of God was angry with him and said, "You should have struck the ground five or six times; then you would have defeated Aram and completely destroyed it. But now you will defeat it only three times." [2 Kings 13]

In 1 Samuel 8 and many other places, the diviner is greater than a mere king, unless the king is a diviner too.

Simple tables help one to discern a little better. Searches had better be done with proficiency. Awkward divination may not bring good results. And, finally, do not forget to apply rational inquiry to results to see to that things go well. Neat practice also depends on cultivating inner clarity, and being able to enjoy somehow. [More]

Moses is called OK in the Bible; he had been raised by Egyptians in a good land back then. Good company is something to thank for [cf. Acts 7:20-2]." (Source)
Smith was using a seer stone to find buried treasure - that's hardly what the Bible is speaking about. Mormons will try to justify everything Joey the false prophet did, and therefore condemn yourselves in the process. Justifying evil is a wicked thing to do.
 
Smith was using a seer stone to find buried treasure - that's hardly what the Bible is speaking about.
Did you read what was posted above? How is it different, and where do you get superior authority to divine what the Bible is speaking about?
Mormons will try to justify everything Joey the false prophet did, and therefore condemn yourselves in the process.
Uh...using the Bible to show Joseph Smith did what other Old Testament prophets did. Hmmm.....
Justifying evil is a wicked thing to do.
"20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

What measure ye mete....
 
Did you read what was posted above? How is it different, and where do you get superior authority to divine what the Bible is speaking about?

Uh...using the Bible to show Joseph Smith did what other Old Testament prophets did. Hmmm.....

"20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

What measure ye mete....
You're right, and I do not try to justify evil, as do Mormons. If Mormons wish to follow an occultist like Joseph Smith, then along with him they will reap the punishment due to occultists. Repent.
 
You're right, and I do not try to justify evil, as do Mormons. If Mormons wish to follow an occultist like Joseph Smith, then along with him they will reap the punishment due to occultists. Repent.
Interesting how you didn't have an answer for my question.
How do you know you wouldn't have rejected Old Testament prophets as demonic when they practiced divination?

But in true, anti-mormon fashion, you ignore the weakness of your own position, and decide to rail against mormons.
This is why anti-mormons are simply anti-mormon, and not pro-Christian. They care nothing of truth. Their sole intent is to make Mormons look bad.
You're like "Yes, I know there's a beam in my eye. I don't care about that. Just ignore it. Look at what Mormons are doing. They're so evil!"

Sorry, it's evident that you're not willing to take the argument to the next level - because it lacks truth.
 
Arguing with Mormons is usually fruitless since the deception they have embraced entails demonization. However, I find that when the average non-Mormon is confronted with the truth about Smith treasure hunting days using a seer stone, not to mention his involvement with divining rods, they become convinced the whole Mormon tale is a scam - and it is. Smith was a scam-artist, but one that actually did contact demons, and perpetuated his demonic beliefs via the organization claiming to be "the only true church."

Do the cult's missionaries share with potential converts (targets) information about Smith's treasure digging?
 
Witchcraft is forbidden in the Bible, yet Joseph Smith practiced divining, using a seer stone, which is a form of witchcraft. He also participated in an animal sacrifice in regard to controlling demonic entities. Why would Mormons want to believe the words of such an evil seducer as Joseph Smith. He even used his powers to convince people that marrying more than one wife was just fine and commanded by his "god." When Mormons stand before the judgment seat of the True and Living God, they will be without excuse:

Leviticus 20:6 ESV

“If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people.

That's what happened to Joe Smith, the false prophet.
 
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