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Howie

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Do you stand by the following two statements you have made?

(1) the current US government is Marxist, and
(2) the current US government is legal, according to the US constitution.
Yes.
If you agree with the above two statements, then it follows logically that:
(3) Marxism is legal, according to the US constitution.
Prove that's the only logical conclusion, in the entire universe, please.
 

Reepicheep

Active member
Prove that's the only logical conclusion, in the entire universe, please.
Combining (1) and (2):

(1) the current US government is Marxist, and
(2) the current US government is legal, according to the US constitution.


into a single statement gives us:

(3) the current US government (which is Marxist) is legal, according to the US constitution

Do you agree with statement (3)?
 

Howie

Well-known member
Combining (1) and (2):

(1) the current US government is Marxist, and
(2) the current US government is legal, according to the US constitution.


into a single statement gives us:

(3) the current US government (which is Marxist) is legal, according to the US constitution

Do you agree with statement (3)?
You're avoiding my question, here it is again: Prove #3 is the only logical conclusion, in the entire universe, please
 

Reepicheep

Active member
You're avoiding my question, here it is again: Prove #3 is the only logical conclusion, in the entire universe, please
I know of no other logical conclusion. If you have an alternate conclusion which follows from statements (1) and (2), then please state it.
 

Howie

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I know of no other logical conclusion. If you have an alternate conclusion which follows from statements (1) and (2), then please state it.
I'm not here to aid you in proving your assertion; the burden is all yours, and you have failed to give any support as to why your conclusion is the only conclusion possible. That's why your credibility with me, on anything you comment, on, is ZERO.
 

vibise

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The socialist dems have pretty much destroyed the country.

Why don't the socialist marxist chop out some of their special interest..you know, not spend as much?

Now Biden wants to increase taxes....to pay for the fake infrastructure. What they should do is raise the debt ceiling and print enough money to cover all the taxes of the population. Whats another trillion or two?
So should we eliminate SS, Medicare and Medicaid, as Republicans have wanted to do for decades? Would that spending cut be OK with you?

Yes, Biden wants to raise taxes on the rich. The people who benefit enormously from the taxpayer supported systems in place but pay nothing or next to nothing in taxes. Don't you think it is time to change that?

There is no "fake" infrastructure issue. We have real infrastructure issues. My son and his wife just moved into a house in Silicon Valley with no internet access! They were told it will take ~3 weeks to get access. The situation is worse in other parts of the country. Plus our roads, bridges, airports, schools, etc. are in dire straits. The rich people in charge of the GOP don't want to spend this money unless they get a big cut.
 

vibise

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When someone makes a statement implying that all Democrats are as clean and pure as the wind driven snow, it is a sure sign that their posts should only be considered for their comedic value.
I never said anything remotely like that.

I pointed out that the GOP have repeatedly held the economy and our credit rating hostage during the Obama administration and now under Biden. I also pointed out that Dems have not done this. They voted to raise the debt ceiling under Trump multiple times.

This is a specific issue in which there is a huge difference between the behavior of Dems and Repubs.
I never said this means that Dems are angels on any and all other issues.
 

vibise

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It's clear to me that you don't pay attention to my answers, which makes me conclude engaging with you is waste of my time, and you haven't acknowledged the book I recommended to you, so you aren't here to learn what's occurring in the US, but you are here only only to push your agreement with the American Marxists. BTW, you've claimed in the past to be a Christian, didn't you? Do you still claim that?

What you always miss, the lies told by those with whom you agree. You cannot hear them.
I am happy to respond to discussion points that you raise, but I am not about to read an entire book for which I have not been given and reason to read, other than you liked it. Levin is recognized as a RW ideolog, but if you want to extract arguments from his book for discussion, please do so, and I will respond. This is a discussion forum, not a book club.
 

vibise

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Both sides are playing the game, dear. I believe the Dems wouldn't be the least bit disappointed if the economy crashed and chaos ensued. Have ever considered that? Or are you of the mind that you and your Democrat/Marxist government, "the Democrats," too saintly to stoop to desiring anything bad occurring to any US citizen?
You are making up viewpoints you are attributing to the Dems. Go ahead and provide quotes from any of them saying they want to see the economy crashed.

The fact is that the Dems are choosing actions that would preserve our economy and credit rating, while the Repubs are the ones threatening the opposite.

We have to judge people on the basis of what they do and what they have announced they will do, not what you imagine someone will do in the absence of evidence.
 

Howie

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I am happy to respond to discussion points that you raise, but I am not about to read an entire book for which I have not been given and reason to read, other than you liked it. Levin is recognized as a RW ideolog, but if you want to extract arguments from his book for discussion, please do so, and I will respond. This is a discussion forum, not a book club.
That post is not addressed to you, Vibise. And, as I've already told you, If you don't want to read Levin, stay in darkness.
 

CrowCross

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So should we eliminate SS, Medicare and Medicaid, as Republicans have wanted to do for decades? Would that spending cut be OK with you?

The money for SS, Medicare and Medicaid...came from people salary.
Yes, Biden wants to raise taxes on the rich. The people who benefit enormously from the taxpayer supported systems in place but pay nothing or next to nothing in taxes. Don't you think it is time to change that?

Biden wants to raise taxes on everyone...even the dead.
There is no "fake" infrastructure issue. We have real infrastructure issues. My son and his wife just moved into a house in Silicon Valley with no internet access! They were told it will take ~3 weeks to get access. The situation is worse in other parts of the country. Plus our roads, bridges, airports, schools, etc. are in dire straits. The rich people in charge of the GOP don't want to spend this money unless they get a big cut.
You basically summed up what infrastructure is....the socialist want it to include certain people and social programs.
 

vibise

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The money for SS, Medicare and Medicaid...came from people salary.


Biden wants to raise taxes on everyone...even the dead.

You basically summed up what infrastructure is....the socialist want it to include certain people and social programs.
The GOP opposed all 3 of those programs from the get-go, and continue to do so up to today. Reagan made an impassioned speech against Medicare, saying it would take America down the road to socialism. Numerous Repub politicians have attempted to cut those programs, which they falsely describe as "entitlements". Paul Ryan tried to convert Medicare into a voucher program, a move that economists said would require people to pay over 60% of their medical bills.

Estate taxes should be raised. We routinely pay taxes whenever money is transferred from one person or business to another. Thus we pay taxes on wages and sales and capital gains. We should also tax the transfer of huge estates to people who did little to nothing to create that wealth. We have protections in place for the transfer of family farms and small estates. We should not have policies in place that cement and help develop elite family dynasties.

It is reasonable to debate what constitutes infrastructure. Biden thinks that human capital matters as much as structures like bridges, roads and airports, and I think he is right. In particular education is the key to success for any and all nations going forward, and so an increased investment in our schools is warranted, as is investment in childcare programs to enrich the lives of our kids and to allow their parents to work. I am not surprised to find that conservatives object to spending on education or childcare. The Chinese have no such qualms and plan to leave us in the dust as the 21st century economy is going to be knowledge- and technology-based. American companies are already complaining that they cannot find enough educated, skilled workers, and why can't we fix that going forward?
 

glenlogie

Well-known member
The GOP opposed all 3 of those programs from the get-go, and continue to do so up to today. Reagan made an impassioned speech against Medicare, saying it would take America down the road to socialism. Numerous Repub politicians have attempted to cut those programs, which they falsely describe as "entitlements". Paul Ryan tried to convert Medicare into a voucher program, a move that economists said would require people to pay over 60% of their medical bills.

Estate taxes should be raised. We routinely pay taxes whenever money is transferred from one person or business to another. Thus we pay taxes on wages and sales and capital gains. We should also tax the transfer of huge estates to people who did little to nothing to create that wealth. We have protections in place for the transfer of family farms and small estates. We should not have policies in place that cement and help develop elite family dynasties.

It is reasonable to debate what constitutes infrastructure. Biden thinks that human capital matters as much as structures like bridges, roads and airports, and I think he is right. In particular education is the key to success for any and all nations going forward, and so an increased investment in our schools is warranted, as is investment in childcare programs to enrich the lives of our kids and to allow their parents to work. I am not surprised to find that conservatives object to spending on education or childcare. The Chinese have no such qualms and plan to leave us in the dust as the 21st century economy is going to be knowledge- and technology-based. American companies are already complaining that they cannot find enough educated, skilled workers, and why can't we fix that going forward?e
One reason that workers are hard to find is they can make more sitting at home not working. At some point in time the non workers will be taking more than the workers can give, and the well will run dry.
 

Howie

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One reason that workers are hard to find is they can make more sitting at home not working. At some point in time the non workers will be taking more than the workers can give, and the well will run dry.
"They" will run out of other people's money.
 

Mike McK

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I am deprived of life and liberty if I am forced to interact with people who refuse to take simple measures to ensure that a pandemic is controlled.
No, you're not.

And nobody's forcing you to interact with anybody. That's a choice you make.
The failure to control a pandemic has a negative impact on our economy which affects the life and liberty of all of us.
Weird that somebody who likes to pretend to have a "PhD in biology" wouldn't know the difference between pandemic and endemic.
I don't think you have any idea what the word "marxist" means.
It means one who follows the political philosophy of Karl Marx.
And besides, name calling is not a reasoned argument.
Yeah, we remind you of that every time you call us names and slander us.
 
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