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newheart78

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brightfame52 said:
God's Will to Justify His People IS the Justification of Them by Brandan Kraft


John Gill wrote in his masterpiece, a Body of Doctrinal Divinity, that "God's will to elect, is the election of his people, so his will to justify them, is the justification of them;" (John Gill, A Body of Doctrinal Divinity, Book II, Chapter V, Section II.)

God's word is so powerful that whatever He declares, it's accomplished the moment He says it. He has no need to wait for the results. We, being temporal creatures, must wait for things to be accomplished when we set our mind to something. If we decide to do something, we must allocate time to our endeavors and wait for the results. But God, being the Eternal Almighty has no need to wait for things to be accomplished in time. He created time and sees it all at once. There is not a moment in time that escapes His constant scrutiny - past, present, or future! And if He has decreed to Justify His elect by the blood of Christ, then He needs not wait as an observer for things to be accomplished in time.

Christ is said to be the lamb slain before the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8). Now do I believe that Christ was "physically" slain in eternity? Absolutely not. Christ, the physical man was crucified in time on the cross. He was slain in time. That is how we see and understand things - in time. But Oh what sweet joy it brings to my soul to know that from all eternity the Father looked upon Christ as slain for the justification of His people! The Lord has always constituted His people as righteous in Christ from all eternity. His people were never constituted as wicked sinners as Christ was their mediator from before the foundations of the world.

God's people have been given all spiritual blessings in Christ from before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:3-4). One of these spiritual blessings is the imputed righteousness of Christ. There was never a moment in God's mind that the elect were hated and despised. He has always viewed them as being in Christ.

So how does this apply you? Child of God, if you have been given belief in the Gospel, then please recognize that this precious gift is the evidence of your justification. When you were first given that sweet assurance in Christ, you did not "join" the Kingdom of God. You were always viewed as part of His kingdom. There is no danger of you falling out of His sovereign hand as you have always been held. And even in your unconverted state, God's love for you was beyond measure. He has always viewed you in Christ. How cool is that!?!?

Grace and Peace,
Brandan
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TY and Amen Brother ! Excellent, and 100 % correct !
 
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brightfame52

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A writer Don Fortner who commented on the four aspects of Justification wrote as to being justified by the Divine Decree:

Divine Decree

First, God’s elect were justified by the decree of God the Father in eternity. In the mind and purpose of God all his elect were justified from eternity. Our justification was actually accomplished by God’s sovereign purpose of grace in eternal predestination before the worlds were made. This is not a matter of speculation or a hair-splitting theological precision. It is a matter of unmistakable revelation. Read it for yourself in the Book of God. Romans 8:30 declares that God justified his elect when he chose them and predestinated them to be conformed to the image of his dear Son before the worlds were made.

Our justification did not commence in time, but in eternity. Paul, speaking of God’s eternal decree of predestination, declares that all of God’s elect were justified in his eternal purpose of grace. — “The works were finished from the foundation of the world” (Hebrews 4:3).

“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” (Romans 8:29-30)
 
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newheart78

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brightfame52 said:
A writer Don Fortner who commented on the four aspects of Justification wrote as to being justified by the Divine Decree:

Divine Decree

First, God’s elect were justified by the decree of God the Father in eternity. In the mind and purpose of God all his elect were justified from eternity. Our justification was actually accomplished by God’s sovereign purpose of grace in eternal predestination before the worlds were made. This is not a matter of speculation or a hair-splitting theological precision. It is a matter of unmistakable revelation. Read it for yourself in the Book of God. Romans 8:30 declares that God justified his elect when he chose them and predestinated them to be conformed to the image of his dear Son before the worlds were made.

Our justification did not commence in time, but in eternity. Paul, speaking of God’s eternal decree of predestination, declares that all of God’s elect were justified in his eternal purpose of grace. — “The works were finished from the foundation of the world” (Hebrews 4:3).

“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” (Romans 8:29-30)
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I believe Don Fortner is absolutely correct.
 
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brightfame52

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There was from all eternity a fixed immutable will in God never to punish sin, nor to inflict the penalty of the Law upon his elect. This will was not to prosecute his right against them in a way of justice, {I Thes.5:9,} but to deal with them as righteous in a Mediator, {a pure act of grace,} by free imputation. {II Cor.5:21, Rom.5:21, Eph.1:4} God from all eternity did immutably will and bequeath eternal life to his chosen in Christ, through the blood of the Everlasting Covenant. {Mt.26:28} “By 2 the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” {Heb.10:10}
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The above quote by unknown author speaks to eternal justification based upon the eternal suretyship of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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brightfame52

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There is a noted difference between eternal justification and justification by faith, Eternal Justification is an immanent act of God, wherein He justifies the Elect by the Suretyship Blood of Christ, which Justification is before Him and His court of law Rom 3:24, however Justification by Faith Rom 5:1 is when God the Holy Spirit puts away the guilt and condemnation of sin from the conscience of the Elect, so Christ puts away sin before God, and the Spirit’s puts away the guilt of sin out of the believer’s conscience. 1 Cor 6:11

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
 
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brightfame52

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If Justification is before Faith by the death of Christ, , why not as soon as Christ became Surety of the Elect ? When did Christ become Surety, because we know that He was according to Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
 
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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
If Justification is before Faith by the death of Christ, , why not as soon as Christ became Surety of the Elect ? When did Christ become Surety, because we know that He was according to Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
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Yet more error

Galatians 2:16 (ESV)
16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
 
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brightfame52

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TomFL said:
Yet more error

Galatians 2:16 (ESV)
16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
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When was Christ made a surety ?
 
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e v e

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brightfame52 said:
Do you want to discuss the Op and the following post ? They are important to the understanding of Eternal Justification Do you believe in a Eternal Covenant made within the GodHead before the world began ?
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you aren’t discussing christianity so there is no need to care about the op.

not christian.
 
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newheart78

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brightfame52 said:
If Justification is before Faith by the death of Christ, , why not as soon as Christ became Surety of the Elect ? When did Christ become Surety, because we know that He was according to Heb. 7:22:

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
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Amen Brother ! Christ Jesus as Surety Heb. 7:22; Rev. 13:8, agreed with the Father in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Heb. 2:16-17, to take upon Himself the sin debt of all His Sheep or God's Elect chosen in Him of the Father to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:4-7; and so abjuring them to be righteous based solely upon the principal or ground work of Christ's Blood Rom. 5:9. Hence rendering them to be Righteous / Justified according to God's Law and Justice even from Everlasting !

Rom. 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Heb. 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 
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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
When was Christ made a surety ?
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Don't run from the verse

Galatians 2:16 (ESV)
16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Justification is not before faith
 
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newheart78

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TomFL said:
Don't run from the verse

Galatians 2:16 (ESV)
16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Justification is not before faith
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False !
 
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brightfame52

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newheart78 said:
Amen Brother ! Christ Jesus as Surety Heb. 7:22; Rev. 13:8, agreed with the Father in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Heb. 2:16-17, to take upon Himself the sin debt of all His Sheep or God's Elect chosen in Him of the Father to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:4-7; and so abjuring them to be righteous based solely upon the principal or ground work of Christ's Blood Rom. 5:9. Hence rendering them to be Righteous / Justified according to God's Law and Justice even from Everlasting !

Rom. 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Heb. 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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Amen very well stated !
 
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civic

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TomFL said:
Yet more error

Galatians 2:16 (ESV)
16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
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Amen Tom !
 
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