Stella1000
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What do you think the point of apostles, prophets, teachers, pastors is then? How would you convince me I don't need any of them?
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A new day
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NO human has the power or authority to declare you or anyone else saved. Only God can do that. There is no "convincing". That's NOT my job or nor was it the apostles. They were told to "preach the gospel" NOT force it down peoples throats. Everybody has two choices, and only two. They can either accept the gospel message, or they can reject it. That is it.
It is a choice, you, yourself have to make. I can't force you or do it for you. The decision is yours to make, and yours alone. You've heard the gospel message, and what you decide to do with that information is up to YOU. It is YOUR responsibility. No one else is responsible for YOUR decision. NOT even the rcc. The responsibility to make the right decision is yours alone.
A new day
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I preach Christ crucified! There is salvation from NO one else. But here you are very much insinuating in this thread, that believing in and trusting in Christ is wrong. Why is that? You point me in the direction of human's instead of the Living God. Why is that? I want you to tell us in your own words, why you think it is wrong to trust God at His word.
dingoling.
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We believe in Jesus. So we are saved. Great, nothing else is needed. So does all these other things that we believe as Catholics nullify, or disqualify us?
1Thess521
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Will you stand in front of Jesus and tell Him of all the things you have done in His name?
dingoling.
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It shouldn't matter.
You didn't answer my question.
1Thess521
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of course it matters:
You stated "We believe in Jesus"
so do the Mormons , so do Demons;
What "Jesus" do you believe in?
Do you believe in a Savoir that actually and effectively saves?
dingoling.
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The one we confess at every Mass in the apostles creed.
1Thess521
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Do you believe /trust in a Savoir that actually, effectively, and completely saves?
A new day
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Matthew 12:36
But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
dingoling.
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I would say yes to that.
PeanutGallery
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More eisegeses; no defined prophecies from either scripture, Jesus, nor his apostles.
PeanutGallery
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As a start, 'two sinless mediators and advocates' disqualifies you.
dingoling.
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Do you have a verse that declares this?
1Thess521
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not from my view:
The RCC has a savior that helps/ enables you to get saved.
dingoling.
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It is all God's grace. But we are not robots. We can decide to cooperate with the grace that God gives us or we can resist it.
1Thess521
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that's my point:
Your Jesus is a potential Savior
Your Jesus effectively died at the Last Supper
Your Jesus is as authoritative as Pope Francis
Your Jesus has a co-redeemer
Your Jesus has a co -mediator
That's not the Jesus who is physically sitting on a Heavenly Throne
dingoling.
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Was Jesus physically sitting on his heavenly throne when he appeared to the apostle Paul?
Why ask for a verse when you do not act like you believe God's word? And you have yet to show us your authority to interpret anything, let alone God's word. (Ya musta been fun in school:
Teacher: "What does Poe mean by this?"
Ding: "Sorry, Teach, I don't have the authority to interpret that.")
dingoling.
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The nCCs tell us that scripture alone is their final/sole authority. If this is true then personal interpretations of scripture are not.