Justified the ungodly

dberrie2020

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Do Lutherans believe God justified the ungodly--and all men, as a free gift--in His Atonement?

Romans 5:18---King James Version
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

IOW--God conquered death and hell for all men in His Atonement, as it relates to the Fall--and opened the doors of eternal life to all men--as an opportunity--by absolving all men from the automatic condemnation of the Fall. Now, all men are born free.

Because of the free gift to all men--all men now answer for their own choices--and not Adam's:

John 5:28-29---King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
 

BJ Bear

Active member
Do Lutherans believe God justified the ungodly--and all men, as a free gift--in His Atonement?

Romans 5:18---King James Version
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

IOW--God conquered death and hell for all men in His Atonement, as it relates to the Fall--and opened the doors of eternal life to all men--as an opportunity--by absolving all men from the automatic condemnation of the Fall. Now, all men are born free.

Because of the free gift to all men--all men now answer for their own choices--and not Adam's:

John 5:28-29---King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation
The short answer is no because the scripture you quote is correct but your interpretation doesn't follow and is contrary to other passages.
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
The short answer is no because the scripture you quote is correct but your interpretation doesn't follow and is contrary to other passages.

So--are you claiming the Atonement was a partial one--or that the "all men" in this verse is a universal Atonement for all men?

Romans 5:18---King James Version
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
 

BJ Bear

Active member
So--are you claiming the Atonement was a partial one--or that the "all men" in this verse is a universal Atonement for all men?

Romans 5:18---King James Version
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
I am claiming that your interpretation, much of which you omitted in this latest reply, is incorrect.
 
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